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telgeoot - [selaw89611 at bixolabs dot com]

CRAIG - Just listened to that podcast as well (and definitely learned a lot about Brigitte Bako; I hadn't known she's done writing and showrunning as well as acting).

On the two bits about the comics you mentioned:

1. I was surprised about "Gargoyle Quest" being five issues; up until then, all the "Gargoyles" comics (from both Slave Labor Graphics and Dynamite) came in sets of "multiple of six" issues - either twelve issues (Clan-Building and Here in Manhattan) or six issues (Bad Guys and Dark Ages).

2. The names "Moby" and "Dick" felt particularly appropriate for the Quarrymen wannabes, since I've long thought that Captain Ahab felt much like the Hunters - the same vengeful quest motivated by a lasting bodily injury (facial scars for Gillecomgain, the loss of a leg for Ahab). I wonder if any of the Manhattan clan (particularly Goliath) ever read "Moby-Dick", and if so, what they thought of it.

Todd Jensen

Another very good Voices from the Eyrie podcast, on "Avalon Part Three," with Brigitte Bako as a welcome presence. During the "news" portion, Greg Weisman is a bit chattier than he typically is during the comics discussion. He clarifies that Gargoyles: Quest will be five issues, and that a lot of it will be from Demona's point of view (moreso than the typical Gargoyles episode where she was the antagonist). We also learn that the "wannabe Quarrymen" in "Trick-or-Treat" are named Moby and Dick.

The local PBS station (Phoenix, Arizona) is airing a program about Shakespeare's First Folio on Friday evening. I don't know if other PBS stations across the country will be doing the same, but it might be worth looking for - especially since "Macbeth" was one of the plays that first appeared in the First Folio, and which we have because of it. Which means that "Gargoyles" owes a lot to the First Folio, as well as to Shakespeare. (Other plays that first appeared in that book include "As You Like It", "Julius Caesar", "Measure for Measure", "The Taming of the Shrew", "The Tempest", "Twelfth Night", and "The Winter's Tale".)
Todd Jensen

Todd: "It does seem like very quick evolution, given that these developments in appearance would have happened in human times. I'm not enough of a biology expert to tell how plausible that would be, though."

On the one hand, evolution does tend to speed up in small populations. If you had a population that was really not fitting into its environment, odds favor it evolving away from that in a hurry. Think back to the classic example of the peppered moth evolving to take on a darker shade to match its polluted environment. On the other, you have a species here with life-long mating and a really long reproductive cycle, both of which are probably going to slow down evolution by a lot. So...I don't know.

There is enough variety both between gargoyle populations and within them to suggest a highly mutable genome, though: you don't see the populations having converged on one form or another over time. That's likely to counteract some of the slowness in evolution that would come from slow reproduction, and hypothetically that would explain the presence (and, to some degree, the function) of a "chameleon gene." (I suppose you could even draw that out further and suggest it affects the culture. If the children are liable to come out looking not much like their biological parents, it makes a good deal of cultural sense to consider them children of the whole clan and not of the individuals.)

morrand - [morrand276 at gmail dot com]

That's great to hear. Comics-wise, Spider-Man has dropped so far in quality (looing at you, Paul) that fans have straight up abandoned the series and vocalized their displeasure to such a degree that it echoes One More Day in terms of fan anger.
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!

Hey, guess who's returning to the world of Spider-Man?


Greg Bishansky

Piece of Gargoyles Trivia: Today, November 13, was the the day Canmore was slain in battle in 1093 (fighting the English - at least, that's the official account).
Todd Jensen

It does seem like very quick evolution, given that these developments in appearance would have happened in human times. I'm not enough of a biology expert to tell how plausible that would be, though.
Todd Jensen

Good ideas! I particularly like the idea that they evolved to not stick out too much in the locations they're in. Now I'm wondering what an american gargoyle would evolve resemble.

Matthew> I agree that there are a fair amount of aquatic features present in the Wyvern Clan and its descendants. Recall the fishy looking dude in the Avalon Clan.
"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"

Sorry, that last one was me.
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!

This isn't a thoery that can be tested properly, and we only have a little information on the Loch Ness clan, but the gargoyles of Scotland seem well adapted to the water. Goliath and Angela have been shown in being able to hold their breath for long periods of time, and "Reawakening" had Goliath twice traverse through the icey cold waters of the Hudson River without any ill effects.

I've always assumed that this trait was what helped the Atlantean gargoyles survive the fall and it's something they just kept through the generations. Or it's something they adapted to because Scotland isn't just an island but filled with lochs, ponds, rivers etc. I'm more inclined to believe the latter as the Loch Ness clan is said to have manta ray like wings which would be helpful in swimming.

As for the rest of the gargoyle species, there is a certain something that draws them to human myth and culture (though in-story it seems to be human myth draws from them). Like the English clans resembling beasts of heraldry or several of Japan's gargoyles resembling tengu. You might say it's a chicken or the egg kind of thing.


Good question. Greg Weisman has indicated that there might exist some sort of "chameleon gene" which causes gargoyles to adapt to look like like local mythological, heraldic, or artistic gargoyle representations.

It is possible that there is some selective pressure happening too. Particularly in areas where gargoyles reside close to antagonistic humans. Humans are less likely to destroy a heraldic gargoyle in London and less likely to destroy a gargoyle that looks like a quatzelcoatl in Central America. So, those gargoyles are more likely to live on.

Also a good time to note that I strongly suspect that most gargoyles in Europe had more animal-like forms and that the gargoyles that inhabit Scotland are descended from Atlantean gargoyles. The Praying Gargoyle (constructed in Atlantis) is clearly reminiscent of a Scottish/Mayan gargoyle. Gargoyles from Atlantis might've colonized North America and Scotland (hence the similarity in the gargoyles there). So, while the Scottish and English gargoyles live quite close together, they are not particularly closely related. That's my theory though. Who knows?

"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"

I wonder what influences the regional differences of Gargoyles, what causes the ones in Britain to resemble animals and mythological creatures, for example.


"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"


No sun - no moon!
No morn - no noon -
No dawn - no dusk - no proper time of day -
No sky - no earthly view -
No distance looking blue -
No road - no street - no 't'otherside the way' -
No end to any Row -
No indications where the crescents go -
No top to any steeple -
No recognitions of familiar people -
No courtesies for showing 'em -
No knowing 'em!
No travelling at all - no locomotion,
No inkling of the way - no notion -
'No go' - by land or ocean -
No mail - no post -
No news from any foreign coast -
No Park - no Ring - no afternoon gentility -
No company - no nobility -
No warmth, no cheerfulness, no healthful ease,
No comfortable feel in any member -
No shade, no shine,, no butterflies, no bees,
No fruits, no flowers, no leaves, no birds, -

"No", Thomas Hood (who seems to have been too hard on this month)

Todd Jensen