
Thanks, Todd. Again, this was a tough one.
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Sun, Jun 30, 2024 2:14:51 pm EDT from 135.180.3.149
A Station Eight Fan Web Site
Thanks, Todd. Again, this was a tough one.
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Sun, Jun 30, 2024 2:14:51 pm EDT from 135.180.3.149
MATTHEW - Thanks for sharing your latest poem.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Jun 30, 2024 8:21:15 am EDT from 174.72.60.154
The last day of June and the last day of Pride, but that also means one part of my monthly poem, "A Year on the Streets." I have to admit, this one was tough and not just because I'm approaching the subject from an orientation that isn't my own.
I don't know if any of this could be triggering, but for safety's sake and respect this one will be in Spoilers.
June
[SPOILER] I slip on my foundation to hide away the tears,
Rub phantom bruises from long ago,
Enduring strikes and blow after blow,
When dad would make a man out of me.
Wandering aimlessly down the streets alone,
Locked out, forced away from mi casa,
Can’t stop hearing Mami scream, “Desviada!”
With a cross of Christ held tight in her hand.
Smile wide, pretend it’s fun,
Ignore the hoots, the calls, the jeers,
That you deserve this because you’re queer,
Degrade yourself, you need to buy some food.
Back on my feet, but I’m still not whole,
I grip my partner’s hand as we drive through my old town,
Can’t shake the feeling they still don’t want me around,
Can’t ever forget that I can’t go home. [/SPOILER]
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Sun, Jun 30, 2024 4:12:35 am EDT from 135.180.3.149
I got a kick out of the croissant as well. I can just see Bronx, front paws on the table or counter that the croissant was on, scarfing it down. (Reminds me of my comment that Hudson probably took Bronx to Robbins' house for the clan's second on-stage Halloween partly to ensure that Bronx wouldn't stroll into the party at the castle and make a beeline for the buffet table.)
And the mention of Thailog as the "Monster of Notre Dame" (in a way to echo "The Hunchback of Notre Dame") also amused me, since [SPOILER] we've recently seen him doing battle with another of Victor Hugo's main characters - or at least, someone based on him [/SPOILER].
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Jun 29, 2024 9:09:02 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154
Carumbo> [SPOILER] I agree that Goliath is looking better and better. Meanwhile, Coldstone and Lex continue to look solid. Now we just need to work on Demona's wings.
Re: Puck's Flute. In that moment, Puck was close to Oberon and he was distracted. In fact, Oberon casting his spell on Puck was the perfect distraction for Puck to use to heist the Flute. The mystical theft would've been more easily hid since magic was flowing between them already. Better than any other time. And the incident gives a whole trickster vibe to the moment. And brings new light to Owen's little smile afterwards.
As for the Pied Piper. "All things are true. Few things are accurate." We have no idea what really happened there.
And remember that these pages are probably in order, but also are likely to have other pages between them. That last page with Demona may not be showing her response to Coldstone. She might be talking to someone else about something else. We'll have to wait (*checks watch*) 24 days, 14 hours to find out for sure (unless something is revealed at Convergence.
I do think Jade and Turquesa taking news back to the Avalon Clan is a good idea. Not just news of the Ceremony either, but lots of things. For all we know, the Avalon Clan does not even know if Goliath and Co. made it home safely (unless Oberon or Titania told them). Surely they'd be thrilled to hear about Angela's life in general. Perhaps Angela will write them a letter. I don't know if any of the Avalon Clan will be able to be in attendance for the Ceremony or not. Like Coldfire said, logistical difficulties. Titania might be up for doing them a favor, but who knows. I do hope that the Ceremony allows for a reunion between Tom and Mary though. Long time coming there. [/SPOILER]
Ed> Totally agree. Great episode of Voices. My favorite part was hearing Weisman talk about Goliath and Angela and parenting and The Gargoyle Way. I've always loved the Gargoyle Culture stuff, so I found all of it fascinating. I particularly thought it was interesting that Goliath isn't just concerned about the influence that Demona could have on Angela, but also that Angela reminds him of Angel at that age. He doesn't want Angela to follow the same path and even Angela being the only gargoyle to choose to leave Avalon is concerning to him in a way. He wants her with him, but it is also something young Angel would've done. Good stuff.
And yeah, the insights into Elisa's subtle desire for a Disney Prince is great too.
Todd> Yes, I had a similar thought regarding [SPOILER] using Puck's Flute to control humans. Combining that the Spear's ability to "never miss its target" already makes for a formidable combo. I don't think the Hand of Valmont is the third Key. I don't think that it has been revealed yet. I think the Hand is merely being used by Thailog and Co. to get the haft. So, we'll see. But yeah, very interesting so far! [/SPOILER]
Matt
"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"
posted @ Sat, Jun 29, 2024 10:37:40 am EDT from 47.233.90.133
Again, sorry for the double-post, but:
[SPOILER] Given the indications that the purpose of the Three New Keys of Power is to allow their wielder to control the human race, it makes sense that the flute from the Pied Piper story is one of them. It controlled both the rats and the children of Hamelin in a mesmerizing fashion, which matches the above purpose well. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Jun 29, 2024 9:47:59 am EDT from 174.72.60.154
On the preview pages for "Gargoyle Quest" #3.
[SPOILER] I'd wondered whether Puck's flute in "The Gathering Part One" was linked to the Pied Piper legend, and now we know it is. (And just three days ago - June 26 - was the traditional anniversary of his piping the children out of Hamelin. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Jun 29, 2024 8:38:37 am EDT from 174.72.60.154
Haven't had time to follow the room lately but quick shout out to one of the all-time great VftE eps.
Greg B made a great point here that Thailog’s clone identity is really the last thing you think about in terms of the character.
Greg W’s observation that the Disney costumes show an element of Elisa that wants her prince to come is fascinating and articulates an element of Elisa’s character that is both obvious and yet I’d never really processed.
Plus, the croissant revelation changes everything for Bronx’s character arc.
Ed
posted @ Sat, Jun 29, 2024 7:59:33 am EDT from 86.140.47.44
Quest 3 ain't quite behind the corner yet, but we now have six preview pages; I'm putting them at the end of the comment - meanwhile, here's what I think of them.
[SPOILER] The preview is great - Qualano's art is getting better and better, and it looks like he even got Goliath's chin under control.
The title is "Acquisitions", which totally breaks the "titles start with Q" thing we were having (Quest, Questions, Quo Vadis Cum Hoc); I'm personally horrified by it, of course./s
One thing I actually don't like is that Puck stole back his flute right after begging Oberon for mercy ("No... please, my lord... please reconsider. I'll do anything!"), because 1)it's hard to believe that Puck would care about the flute in that moment and 2)I don't buy that Oberon wouldn't realize it was happening. I think Greg chose the wrong moment for it - if Owen had said "remember that couple of minutes when Oberon was drained and weakened because he had gotten an iron harpoon into his chest? That's when I did it" I would have 100% believed it.
The flute, BTW, doesn't look in the slightest like it did in The Gathering and The Pledge - but whatever, it's a magic flute anyway.
Owen says "Recently, I noticed a not insignificant increase in the power of the instrument" - which seems to confirm a theory I had: the destruction of the original Keys to Power caused a power-up in the new ones; hopefully we'll later learn why it happened, it'd make for some nice worldbuilding on magic.
That scene with Demona at the end, where she considers going to Angela for a second before deciding that she can't do it until her goal is achieved - great scene; IMO, it's the best Demona scene we've gotten since, oh, City of Stone? Beautifully drawn by Qualano to boot. My read on it is that she wants to meet Angela, but thinks she can't do it until she has killed all humans and gifted her a perfect world (because of Angela's "I hate you" from The Reckoning - she feels she needs to do something to win her forgiveness).
Oh, and of course Owen/Puck used to be the Pied Piper - so the obvious question is, what did he do with those kids he took away? Because there are a lot of options, according to Wikipedia: "One hundred and thirty children followed him out of town and into a cave, after which they were never seen again. Other versions relate that the Pied Piper led the children to the top of Koppelberg Hill, where he took them to a beautiful land, or a place called Koppenberg Mountain, or Transylvania. In yet other versions, he made them walk into the Weser as he did with the rats, and they all drowned. Or, the Piper returned the children after extorting payment, or the children were returned only after the villagers paid several times the original payment in gold."
Finally, a random idea I've had: since Jade and Turquesa need to go back to Avalon to continue their journey, Angela and Broadway ask them to bring the news of the Commitment Ceremony to the Avalon Clan; they do, but because of the time differentials A&B then need to wait a few months for the Avalonians to prepare themselves to attend the CC - this would explain why they still haven't done it by the time of the Halloween Special, since I'm assuming that 1)it won't happen next issue and 2)it won't happen off-screen; UNLESS they decide to go through with it next issue as a statement of sort ("We know Demona is planning something, but we can't let fear decide how we run our lives, this ceremony will show that we have hope for the future").
(As for how the Avalon Clan is going to get to Manhattan, I'm going with "they ask Titania a favor".) [/SPOILER]
The pages:
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CarumboZabumbo
Noi siamo le creature della notte! Noi siamo... i Gargoyles!
posted @ Sat, Jun 29, 2024 6:56:51 am EDT from 87.20.68.96
Sorry for the double post, but when I was rereading about Qin Shi Huangdi's quest for immortality last night, I discovered that one specific enterprise of his was searching for an "Island of Immortality". I wondered whether, in the Gargoyles Universe, it might have been a certain magical island we're already familiar with.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jun 28, 2024 9:58:08 am EDT from 174.72.60.154
PHOENICIAN - Thanks for sharing that with us. [SPOILER] So China had its own "Wyvern Massacre" moment - though here directed at the terracotta statues rather than at gargoyles. Brooklyn's response to it would certainly be worth seeing. [/SPOILER]
And the "Voices from the Eyrie" podcast of "Sanctuary" has just come out. Don't miss it.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jun 27, 2024 9:53:10 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154
"I've found a few cases, while writing those background pieces, where a story or feature about the person, place, object, etc. I was writing about didn't feature in "Gargoyles", but did echo something from the series."
Exactly my same train of thought, Todd, when I found that detail about Victor Hugo writing about Shakespeare; how could that NOT be featured on the wiki? :--)
Other fun finds I've enjoyed entering on the GargWiki include adding the Sphinx's various names to its page and, of course, fleshing out Shahrizad's background. Expanding on Anansi's page and discovering how the spider-trickster's stories evolved in the Americas was also fascinating, and I can only imagine the possibilities if/when we see the character again in Greg Weisman's future multi-trickster story.
Speaking of the Terracotta Warriors, I was watching Mysteries of the Terracotta Warriors, the dramatized-documentary on Netflix, earlier this week and a detail caught my ear that I don't think I've ever regarded as common knowledge. Spoiler tags just in case, but I'll admit the detail just might be a large oversight on my part. [SPOILER] Evidently *all* the statues we now see on display have been restored, meaning that every single terracotta warrior was -- as the drama-documentary explains -- intentionally vandalized and destroyed sometime after Qin Shi Huangdi's death and burial. [/SPOILER]
Either way, that does bode an interesting detail for Brooklyn's inevitable TimeDance d:
Phoenician
Gus: "I always forget you're there." Hooty: "I forget I'm here toooooo."
posted @ Thu, Jun 27, 2024 1:43:04 pm EDT from 68.2.64.232
JURGAN - Yes, the two riddles have often been compared. (I once wrote a retelling of the Norse myths from the point of view of Ratatosk that got references to both - though the significance of that didn't strike me until just now. It was the chapter on Andvari's ring; at the start, Ratatosk was accompanying Odin and Loki on a journey, and when Odin decides to visit a local lord who's very learned - and a wizard - and put his knowledge to the test, Ratatosk asks him if he could try winning the riddle-game without cheating by asking that question this time. As it turns out, there's no riddle-game; Loki had killed an otter along the way that was really the wizard-lord's son (he was a shape-shifter), the wizard-lord wants revenge, and Odin and Loki have to buy him off. Loki decides to supply the treasure to buy the wizard-lord off by robbing the wealthy dwarf Andvari; Andvari, who owes his hoard to a small magic ring that attracts gold, tries hiding the ring in the hopes of using it to replenish his wealth afterwards, but Loki spots him hiding it and says, "All right, what have you got in your pocket?" I couldn't resist that line, particularly since Andvari's Ring and Tolkien's ring have often been compared - though Tolkien said once that about all they had in common was that they were both round.)
(The "foundation of a great treasure" aspect of Andvari's ring, though, reminded me of a different fictional artifact - and I also couldn't resist having Loki call the ring "Andvari's Number One ring" and saying afterwards, in justification for robbing Andvari, "It's not as if he was going to do anything with his wealth, except maybe dive around in it like a porpoise, burrow through it like a gopher, then toss it up and let it hit him on the head." And, on a slightly more subtle note, Andvari begging Loki to let him keep the ring so that he can use it to build up another treasure, saying "If you take it as well, I'll be only a poor old dwarf forever.")
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jun 27, 2024 1:39:09 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154
Todd: 'For example, when I wrote about Odin's mythical background for his entry, I thought of a habit he'd had (done twice in the Norse myths) of winning a riddle-game by asking a question that only he knew the answer to - namely "What did Odin whisper in his son Balder's ear while Balder lay on the funeral-pyre?"'
Well, now I know where Tolkien got Bilbo's "riddle." "What have I got in my pockets," indeed.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 27, 2024 11:33:33 am EDT from 97.182.109.253
TODD> "I've found a few cases, while writing those background pieces, where a story or feature about the person, place, object, etc. I was writing about didn't feature in "Gargoyles", but did echo something from the series. For example, when I wrote about Odin's mythical background for his entry, I thought of a habit he'd had (done twice in the Norse myths) of winning a riddle-game by asking a question that only he knew the answer to - namely "What did Odin whisper in his son Balder's ear while Balder lay on the funeral-pyre?" This reminded me so much of a certain infamous unanswered question in "Gargoyles" that I decided I had to mention it in Odin's entry."
It may have been a deliberate reference. It may have been a happy coincidence. But it is always cool to have these things noted and logged on GargWiki. I tend to think of it as a good sign, that things in the series are working.
"More recently, when writing about the historical background of Qin Shi Huangdi (the Chinese emperor whose terracotta warriors Brooklyn encountered during his Timedancing, as revealed in #6 of "Here in Manhattan"), I noted that he was obsessed with becoming immortal and came up with various schemes and enterprises to win it (though they all failed, of course). Naturally, that had to get into his entry; when one of the major antagonists of "Gargoyles" has a similar goal, leaving that out was unthinkable."
Indeed. I hope we get this story expanded upon in a future comic story.
"And, more recently, in the "background piece" in the entry on Merlin, I brought up that in the earliest legends about Merlin (here a mad hermit named Myrddin who lived in a forest of southern Scotland, who went mad after witnessing a devastating battle - and who, by the way, in this version, had no connections to King Arthur - those were introduced much later on), he was linked to a British king named Rhydderch (who was said to have defeated and slain the king whom Myrddin served in the battle above that drove him mad - and was also described as marrying Myrddin's sister, variously known as Ganieda or Gwendydd). The name's taken on new significance after "Dark Ages: Alliance", of course."
Oh that fills me with ideas and theories. As always, thanks for bringing this up. Your knowledge and insight throughout my nearly three decades of posting in this CR has always been awe-inspiring.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Thu, Jun 27, 2024 11:09:06 am EDT from 67.189.200.184
A thought left over from last week's discussion of the GargWiki and its pieces on the "real-world" myths, legends, and history that got into "Gargoyles".
I've found a few cases, while writing those background pieces, where a story or feature about the person, place, object, etc. I was writing about didn't feature in "Gargoyles", but did echo something from the series. For example, when I wrote about Odin's mythical background for his entry, I thought of a habit he'd had (done twice in the Norse myths) of winning a riddle-game by asking a question that only he knew the answer to - namely "What did Odin whisper in his son Balder's ear while Balder lay on the funeral-pyre?" This reminded me so much of a certain infamous unanswered question in "Gargoyles" that I decided I had to mention it in Odin's entry.
More recently, when writing about the historical background of Qin Shi Huangdi (the Chinese emperor whose terracotta warriors Brooklyn encountered during his Timedancing, as revealed in #6 of "Here in Manhattan"), I noted that he was obsessed with becoming immortal and came up with various schemes and enterprises to win it (though they all failed, of course). Naturally, that had to get into his entry; when one of the major antagonists of "Gargoyles" has a similar goal, leaving that out was unthinkable.
And, more recently, in the "background piece" in the entry on Merlin, I brought up that in the earliest legends about Merlin (here a mad hermit named Myrddin who lived in a forest of southern Scotland, who went mad after witnessing a devastating battle - and who, by the way, in this version, had no connections to King Arthur - those were introduced much later on), he was linked to a British king named Rhydderch (who was said to have defeated and slain the king whom Myrddin served in the battle above that drove him mad - and was also described as marrying Myrddin's sister, variously known as Ganieda or Gwendydd). The name's taken on new significance after "Dark Ages: Alliance", of course.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Jun 26, 2024 11:32:22 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154
JURGAN> "I thought today was new comic day, has it been pushed back again?"
Currently Gargoyles Quest #3 is scheduled for a July 24th release. I know on the Voices episode that's about to drop, I said the 17th and that was true when we recorded.
It's just the realities of comic book production.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Wed, Jun 26, 2024 2:07:09 pm EDT from 67.189.200.184
I thought today was new comic day, has it been pushed back again?
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jun 26, 2024 1:23:26 pm EDT from 97.182.109.253
BISHANSKY - [And as for Elisa, I think she'll keep cosplaying Disney characters for as long as the Mouse allows it.]
Her Alice cosplay was borderline, since it was based on the original art by John Tenniel, rather than the Disney version of Alice.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jun 25, 2024 9:59:23 am EDT from 174.72.60.154
TODD> "One feature I noticed about all three of the gargoyles' on-stage Halloweens: Goliath never bothers wearing a costume. The younger members of the clan, yes, Elisa, yes, but Goliath just goes as himself. I always liked that touch; it fitted in with his more dignified tone."
I fully agree.
Goliath never bothers with a costume and I doubt he ever will. For that matter, neither does Hudson. On Halloween 1995, Hudson stayed at the clocktower. On Halloween 1996, he chose to spend the evening with Jeffrey Robbins (and help pass out candy). And in 1997, he stayed at the castle.
In 1997, Brooklyn didn't dress up, either. Neither did Katana. I find it interesting that he didn't, and I don't think it's a maturity thing. There's nothing immature about dressing up for Halloween. It's not everybody's scene, of course.
And while I'm here, I doubt we'll ever see Demona cosplay on Halloween. Unless "Dominique Destine" counts as that's a costume more than an identity. But that would be "costume business" not "play".
I do find it interesting that Thailog sorta cosplayed on Halloween 1996, what with his Domino mask. But hey, that's Thailog for you. Xanatos also wore a Domino mask to the White House's Halloween dinner, but I wonder if he had something a little more elaborate planned for his own Halloween masque before being summoned for his meeting with Quincy Hemings.
And as for Elisa, I think she'll keep cosplaying Disney characters for as long as the Mouse allows it.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Tue, Jun 25, 2024 6:27:50 am EDT from 67.189.200.184
As far as I'm concerned, the Clan's first Halloween in Manhattan is a missing adventure comparable to Shambahla, the Bronx/Cagney story and the Clan/Xanatos conflict that happened during the World Tour - at some point, in some form, we need to see it.
And I REALLY don't agree that the Gargoyles "were still very cautiously staying inside the castle" - first of all, when did that ever happen? The Trio was already exploring Manhattan literally one night after their awakening, with Goliath's permission to boot - which was only fair enough, since he was having his first date with Elisa at the same time; nor do I agree that they only got "a small taste of the holiday" - in Eye of the Beholder, the Trio is WAY too excited about it for the idea to make sense, IMO:
"Oh, Halloween! Tonight is the night!"
"I can hardly wait! We can walk around on the streets and nobody will know who we are!"
"Better yet: no one will know what we are!"
The way this is all worded makes me think that 1)they already tried "walking around the streets" the previous year and 2)that it all went swimmingly. Heck, if we want to play Continuity Porn, giving the Trio an absolutely awesome first Halloween would give some added context to Lexington's decision to make contact with the Pack only four nights later.
Todd: The Clan is now neatly divided between people who wear costumes and people who don't.
Costumers: Lex, Brooklyn*, Broadway, Angela, Gnash and Elisa.
Boring ones: Goliath, Hudson, Katana, Coldstone and Coldfire**.
*Brooklyn didn't have a costume in Trick-Or-Treat, but claimed he was actually "dressed as a Timedancing Gargoyle"; I'm betting he'll get a new costume for the next Halloween (provided he doesn't die in Quest, of course).
**Yes, we didn't see the Colds in Trick-Or-Treat, but come on, you know they weren't wearing costumes.
CarumboZabumbo
Noi siamo le creature della notte! Noi siamo... i Gargoyles!
posted @ Tue, Jun 25, 2024 5:52:32 am EDT from 79.24.97.90
One feature I noticed about all three of the gargoyles' on-stage Halloweens: Goliath never bothers wearing a costume. The younger members of the clan, yes, Elisa, yes, but Goliath just goes as himself. I always liked that touch; it fitted in with his more dignified tone.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 24, 2024 8:04:31 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154
Having just completed the synopsis for "Eye of the Beholder" on GargWiki; I thought it was neat to re-visit the gargoyles' first Halloween in Manhattan (okay, probably the second... but more on that in a moment). The holiday has become such a staple of "Gargoyles" that each of the three stories mark where the gargoyles are at that moment in their lives.
1994 - Okay, we didn't see this one. It was only a few weeks after the events of "Awakening" but before "The Thrill of the Hunt". I imagine the gargoyles were still very cautiously staying inside the castle. Both to protect it from invaders (remember that they were still in that mindset); and because the world was still so new and alien to them. If they ventured out then it was likely to the point where they still were only getting a small taste of the holiday. Enough for the trio to be excited about it come the following year.
1995 - They're out and about in the world but still very much an urban legend. They can wander around the streets and nobody will know who or what they are. So they're out incognito, having a good time. Getting a taste of being a part of larger society... just as Goliath and Elisa themselves get a taste of their burgeoning romance as they share a dance.They're caught up in a Xanatos plot, of course. And even then, while they get spotted by some people it wasn't enough to move them out of the status of being an urban legend.
1996 - Now they've been revealed to the world. But they're still outside of their community. People don't know who or what they are nor what to make of them. Xanatos is working on slowly introducing them to the public vis a vis his Halloween masque. They're there once again in costume... but hiding their true natures. Throughout this they make a new friend in the form of Dr. Sato. Jeffrey Robbins reveals that he's been aware of Hudson's true nature for some time and is okay with it... just wait until Margot finds out she was socializing with real gargoyles that night; although Brendan most likely knows the truth. And wouldn't you know it, Elisa pushes Goliath away just as the gargoyles themselves were hiding from the community after their reveal. But thanks to Thailog, the gargoyles both resolve not to hide in their castle as the bad guys can just attack them there anyway, and Elisa finally embraces her true feelings for Goliath. Throughout this, gargoyles themselves are the "hot costume" which makes sense, urban legends recently revealed and many people are curious. Also the Quarrymen are playing things cautiously.
1997 - Following Goliath's hearing and the massive inroads they've made... they're taking the first steps into their community. Goliath is part of the Gargoyle Taskforce and has become a big celebrity. They are guests of honor at the Greenwich Village Halloween block party which they attended incognito two years prior. Gnash is out making friends. Elisa is publicly dancing with Goliath. The Quarrymen, desperate, make spectacles of themselves and suffer a setback. Likewise people are still dressing up like gargoyles, but now the costumes are no longer generic, specific gargoyles are being cosplayed with some (like Billy, Susan, and Terry making up their own gargoyle personas).
It's been an upward trajectory year after year now that the clan have had their fourth Halloween in Manhattan. What will Halloween of 1998 look like? Are they going to suffer any public setbacks and have much less to celebrate during a future Halloween?
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Jun 24, 2024 6:37:22 pm EDT from 67.189.200.184
Third. I'm going to post something I wrote on Reddit a few months ago, titled "The Gargoyles Universe and Alternate History."
Up until now, Greg Weisman has handled the connection between the fictional history of the Gargoyles Universe and our world's real history by using what we may call a "Broad Strokes" approach: that is, the great events that are recorded in our history books did happen in the Gargoyles Universe, but at least some of them have been, one way or another, influenced by either the Gargoyles or some other fictional element.
For example: most of the members of the Scottish Royal Family that we saw in the show, the SLG comics and the Dynamite ones (Macbeth, Duncan, Gruoch, Kenneth II & III, Constantine, Culen...) actually existed in the Real World, as did their various struggles for the throne - it's just that in the Real World there presumably were no Gargoyles or Children of Oberon influencing those struggles.
(The big exception to this rule being Prince Malcolm, Princess Elena and Princess Katharine - them and Castle Wyvern are 100% fictional.)
We can presume that this will remain Weisman's approach to the past, be it in flashbacks, Dark Ages or TimeDancer - but what of the present? Up until now, the Present Day (that is, the '90s) events of Gargoyles have avoided interacting with any actual Real World event and/or changing the course of real human history - but that was ok and made sense because the Gargoyles were unknown to the public in the tv show and barely known during the SLG run; now, on the other hand: [SPOILER]
1)Everybody knows they can talk.
2)Their sentience has been acknowledged in a court of law.
3)They have been recognized as eligible for civil rights.
4)They are being invited to Halloween parties in Greenwich Village.
5)Goliath has just become "one of the richest individuals on the island" (and, I assume, richer than about 98% of all Americans).
6)EDITED TO ADD: The Gathering of the Gargoyles Guild is now a thing. [/SPOILER]
Basically, they're now big enough that it would make sense for them to start making waves; we know what those waves will look like in the long term (Gargoyle Nation, Gargoyle Minority Protection Act - I assume most people here are familiar with the Gargoyles 2198 pitch), but what about the short term? Will they start interacting with important political figures of the modern world, for example? And more importantly, SHOULD they start to interact with important political figures of the modern world, or is that a bad idea?
On that note, it should be noted that there's actually already been one instance of Gargoyles kinda sorta interacting with real modern history: issues #4&5 of the SLG run, during which the Xanatos family went to a Halloween ball at the White House - but of course, the President never appeared and was never mentioned by name in those issues; later on, Greg Weisman clarified that he "chose not to have a fictional president, because - outside of the obvious fantasy elements - he likes to make the Gargoyles universe as close to reality as possible."
To conclude, my question is: how would you like things to be handled in the future? Should Gargoyles stay away from real modern history? Should the Clan interact with Bill Clinton (and Bush and Obama and Trump once the time comes) and other actual famous people of the late '90s? Or maybe the time has come to bring out some fictional Presidents (Clifton, Buch, Okama, Prump, Diden)?
Discuss.
CarumboZabumbo
Noi siamo le creature della notte! Noi siamo... i Gargoyles!
posted @ Mon, Jun 24, 2024 3:47:22 pm EDT from 79.24.97.90
Second!
Matt
"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"
posted @ Mon, Jun 24, 2024 10:23:37 am EDT from 47.233.90.133
Happy Midsummer's Day, everyone!
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 24, 2024 8:36:14 am EDT from 174.72.60.154