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TODD - Is that so? Well I better get to putting together some questions to ask, then. First of course I'll have to make sure that they haven't been asked before, but knowing me I like to ask the oddest ones. Though with how thorough some of you fine folks have been with discussing the Gargoyles universe, maybe they have been? I'll have to see.
Kate

KATE - I'd certainly welcome seeing more "Gargoyles"-related questions in the queue; the bulk of them (from what I've seen) appear to be "Young Justice"-related. It's understandable, given that it's the more recent series (from "what's aired in animation" point of view; of course, in 2022 - which the questions Greg's currently answering are from - the Dynamite revival was just starting), and that it's based on DC Comics, which is a lot better-known than "Gargoyles", but all the same....
Todd Jensen

Regarding the crossover: a few of the preview pages have crossed my feed, and while I've seen them, I'm not entirely sure that what I've seen is what I'm seeing. No spoilers here as a result and I'm happy to remain...maybe "clueless" isn't right, but at most maybe 20% clueful about what's going on. But if I'm seeing what I think I am seeing, then it seems like a more substantial thing than I'd have expected to see.

Even if I'm not quite seeing it right.

Morning routines: I get the idea of the various clans mimicking their surroundings as a defense mechanism, and it makes sense. To the extent they would be mimicking various human artifacts around them, though, it seems likely to be an exchange rather than a straight copying: that to a degree, human art copied the local clans, who may then have tended to mimic the human art as a form of camouflage, and back and forth until some sort of equilibrium was reached. (Areas with better long-term relations between humans and gargoyles might, of course, have run a different course, e.g. Ishimura.)

The notion of the Mayan clan taking up a belly-down pose at dawn feels a bit awkward, but your reference to reptiles basking is intriguing. We have heard it said that the stone sleep works in part because it allows the gargoyles to soak up heat energy from the sun. Could it be that the Mayan environment favors that, maybe due to the more-vertical line of the sun's transit? Therefore that lying flat would facilitate a more efficient absorption of heat?

Here's a thought for you, too: that the human-made statuary, etc., that survives, survives in part because it was put in poses or positions that were especially stable...which, very likely, would also be the kinds of poses that the local clans would find to be especially secure for sleeping in. Standing on a soft edge and stretching far out over it is not a safe position for a statue or a sleeping gargoyle, where a low crouch would be safer; while on a stronger ledge a long stretch out over the abyss, getting largely out of reach from the ledge, might help discourage trouble. Thus, another reason for convergence between them (though I bet the gargoyles figured it out sooner).

morrand - [morrand276 at gmail dot com]

Greg's answering questions again? I better get on that. I've got about a hundred for my favorite Gargoyle, Griff!
Well, second favorite or third perhaps. Though I assume all of our main cast have had just about every facet of their life examined, haha!
Anyways, it's been a while. I need to catch up on the comics again and finish my rewatch; I've been under the weather today, maybe it'll help.

Kate

Oh hey, I hadn't noticed Greg was answering questions again. Hopefully doing one a day will help with not getting burnt out on them.

...and hopefully as the backlog get approved the pile of questions gets smaller. I don't think we really need answers on when every female character in the show may or may not have worn specific kinds of hats.

Karrin Blue

ALGAE - [SPOILER] Thanks for that information. Although I'd never heard of Diablo before the crossover comics were announced, Greg Bishansky told me a bit about him - enough that I suspected he was the one whom Demona was confronting. And the bit about his being an ally of El Cid certainly seems appropriate, in light of what we learned about Demona in "Demona" #2. (Indeed, from what we saw on that preview page, including Angelika's apparent age, that confrontation would have fitted El Cid's time. Maybe that's even one reason why Greg Weisman came up with Demona and El Cid as allies.) [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen

TODD> [SPOILER] I'm assuming the sorcerer from the preview is supposed to be Diablo, an immortal alchemist from 9th century Spain who's been bedeviling the FF and other Marvel heroes since the Lee Kirby days.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Esteban_Coraz%C3%B3n_de_Ablo_(Earth-616)

FUN WIKI TIDBIT: "In 1094 AD, he used his talents to assist El Cid conquer the Spanish city of Valencia. Although El Cid's soldiers did not trust him, Esteban was considered a valuable asset to his conquests. El Cid suggested that de Ablo's powers rivaled God's own. Esteban disagreed, but soon became determined to attain that level of powers." [/SPOILER]

Algae
'Nuff said

Interesting question. Obviously, for the as yet unmet clans we can only speculate. I think the question about Katana was a good one, though after spending decades with Brooklyn, I'm sure they've both spent time facing in at times and out at others when they are posing at all. Though, perhaps that custom developed after Katana's time with the clan. [SPOILER] Perhaps we will know more about that in a few months. [/SPOILER]

I think there might be some natural urge to look fearsome when turning to stone. Perhaps as a protective measure. Note that the Ishimuran Clan still tried to look fierce when facing inward.

Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996

Happy Labor Day everyone, and speaking of resting an idea that’s come to my mind while getting back into the groove of drawing by making some Gargoyle OCs: do you all think Gargoyles Clans have their own... “bedtime routine” for lack of a better word? Just like how Gargoyles of the Ishimura Clan face backwards before entering their stone sleep (which makes me wonder if Katana does that or if it’s a more recent cultural thing), how do you think Gargoyles did in their last minutes before sunrise?

When I got the idea of drawing my Loch Ness Clan Gargoyle OC in stone sleep alongside their “awake” form, I took inspiration from ship figureheads and now that’s how I think some of the Gargs from Loch Ness before getting into stone sleep alongside them “camouflaging” themselves as “figureheads” that somehow got into the Loch in days long past

Other ideas I have are that Gargoyles of the Pukhan Clan get into rows before entering stone sleep like the Japsang figures in Korean architecture; while Gargoyles from New Olympian Clan (specifically those descended of Clans from Rome and Greece) have a habit of “extravagantly posing” in both imitation of marble statues humans sculpted and also camouflage; and Gargoyles of the Mayan Clan lied on their bellies and/or opened their mouths as wide as they could. It’s not exactly a reference to the Mayan/Aztec/Incan architecture I’ve seen in my research on my idea but just reptiles sunbathing

Maybe I’ll come back with more ideas on how the remaining and past Clans slept, but what are your ideas?

OnTheUp&Up2Semantics

Not only that Matt, but [SPOILER] I think I'm starting to appreciate the opportunity Greg Weisman has with this crossover. The sheer scale of the story, with events unfolding in different centuries, that this teaser is hinting at is exciting, to say the least. And, to think, I can't help but laugh at how Greg in an early plug for the crossover just handwaved the whole 1990s-2020s discrepancy most fans were already wondering about! [/SPOILER]
Phoenician
Gus: "I always forget you're there." Hooty: "I forget I'm here toooooo."

Third!

Certainly did not expect [SPOILER] an Angelika cameo in the crossover book! Of course, with Greg we should be learning to expect the unexpected. [/SPOILER]

Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996

Forgot to post the link itself.

https://www.gamesradar.com/comics/marvel-comics/the-first-pages-from-marvels-fantastic-four-gargoyles-1-are-everything-i-hoped-they-would-be-as-a-fan-of-both-franchises/

Todd Jensen

Second.

Found this link to a preview of a few pages in the upcoming "Gargoyles/Fantastic Four" crossover.

[SPOILER] A couple of elements that stood out to me were: a) Angelika's cameo (with Demona confronting her captor, who's got a "corrupt Renaissance sorcerer" of the Faust-variety look), and b) apparently Brendan and Margot have been turned to stone again.

And we have not only the gargoyles meeting the Fantastic Four, but also the Xanatos/Tony Stark confrontation. [/SPOILER]

Todd Jensen

First!

And a very relaxing Labor Day to those who are celebrating it.

morrand - [morrand276 at gmail dot com]