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dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

This is a total random question that has nothing to do with gargoyles but I was wondering if anyone here likes Amy Lee of Evanescence?
DarkAngel

Sebastian was correcting his previous post which said "Does anyone the sleeping patterns and locations of...". The word "know" was missing.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Scotland does have roe deer, red deer, wild goats, gray seals, and common seals all are in Scotland and all could provide a good food supply to gargoyles. Also, I am sure many gargoyles living in and around water have adapted to hunting fish, maybe even marine mammals.
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.

Know the way to San Jose?

131 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!

Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"I know what I like, and I like what I know..." - Genesis

Sebastian> Know what?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

sorry.

does anyone know the

Sebastian

what exactly would the gargoyles hunt?

I can't think of any large mammals that would be wandering around the Scotland countryside at night... But maybe some of you can. Perhaps they hunted lots of small nocturnal animals, but I feel that would be difficult to sustain an entire clan.

Also the gargoyles' hunting style seems much more adapted for large prey. Does anyone the sleeping patterns and locations of big animals in Scotland? I think it would be interesting to see what kind of hunting the Gargoyles were even capable of.

Sebastian

I'm sure the Wyvern Clan did lots of hunting throughout it's history. I'm sure they would've had to do more as their numbers grew. And I'm sure the humans, even in the beginning, were unwilling to give much to the Clan in terms of resources. It seems likely to me that much of the meat the humans ate may have been acquired by the Clan while vegetative foodstuffs probably were supplied to the Clan by the humans.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Matt - I'd like to think that the clan sent out pairs of gargoyles to do hunting at night to help supplement the food supply, thus making a larger clan temporarily feasible, but the over-hunting would eventually force the clan into splitting. The decision that the clan needed to split probably came before the eggs were laid. Once the eggs were laid, yea, the clan thought its future was relatively secure so it split.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

I've been spreading the word the last couple of months in a somewhat different way. Whenever I go out to a mall or Best Buy or someplace that sells DVDs, I'll go right to the section that would have Gargoyles DVDs. If I see them there, I pull them out and make sure they face outward. I usually put them in front of some Garfield or Harry Potter DVD. And every now and then, I'd return and see it gone, which I hope means they were bought.
Matt H

In a healthy, growing clan, each generation should be a bit bigger than the last. And the longer a gargoyle lives, the fewer of it's generation will be around due to death. So that is two big reasons why Goliath's generation (which were laying their first eggs) would account for most of the 33 gargoyle eggs, not just 11, more like 15-20. The generation laying their second egg probably accounted for 10 or so and the generation laying their third egg probably only contributed 5-10 eggs at most.

But, wherever the eggs came from, 33 gargoyle eggs were laid, meaning 66 gargoyles contributed genetically to that generation. I'd think that before the split there were maybe 10-15 gargoyles of older, non-breeding generations and about 50 from younger, non-bredding generations (including the Trio). So my estimate of the size of the clan before the split comes to around 125-130 gargoyles, plus beasts. That is a large healthy full clan indeed, but not one that Wyvern Hill could easily support, nor the humans tolerate. If the split was roughly even, there should still be about 60-70 gargoyles at Wyvern when the Massacre hits. That isn't too far off from Greg's estimates.

Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Rebel - Furthermore, if we assume the best case for splitting things up, 11 gargoyle couples from 3 different generations. Also, remember the clan would not have split up if the current gargoyle teenage population wasn't as high as Goliath's. So I would say roughly 11 gargoyle couples having their 3rd/last egg, 11 gargoyle couples having their 2nd egg, and 11 more couples having their 3rd egg. That accounts for 66 out of the 80. To keep the total number under 80 at the time of that egg laying, that leaves 14 unaccounted spots. Those 14 are either below or above the breeding age. For the clan to be optimistic about splitting in two, I'd place as many of those 14 in the below breeding age category. Of course, that leaves a big dilemna. If we assume an even distribution of breeding generations, Brooklyn, Broadway, and Lexington's generation should have numbered at least 22 initial eggs. If Broadway's generation had started off much larger and only 14 or so lived a short life, then the laying of 36 eggs wasn't a cause to split the clan because the loss would be so great. The only alternative is one of the following: 1)assume Greg was off on the size of the clan before it split or 2)assume an uneven distribution of generations producing the 33 eggs. Yes, there's an option 3: lots of Broadway's generation died within 10 years of being layed. The easiest bet would be a combination of options 1 & 2. There's lot of ways to get 33 gargoyle couples laying eggs, but I would think 80 is a little short.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Hey everyone it's been a while schools been hell I had to write two essays this weekend NOT FUN!! Anyway I finished and I'm free at last lol. Hey I was hoping you guys would all check out my gargoyle fanfictions that would be great! Look under 'demonchild' please let me know what you think from the comment room because I don't want to put my email on here.
DarkAngel

Rebel - 3 of those 36 were gargoyle beasts. That's 33 gargoyle couples. I would prefer to think those 33 gargoyle couples potentially were split among 3 different generations, meaning 11 gargoyles per generation.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Wow, only 80? That's tiny. I figured it'd be in the triple digits.
Rebel

Bob - http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=9465 . I looked the answer up by doing a simple search for "36 eggs" at Ask Greg.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Click my name and watch the funny. it's more Spongebob Squarepants related, but like most Spongebob stuff, it has a touch of Gargoyles relevance as well.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

cant wait for # 8!!!!!!!
This is off topic but can anyone explain to my how many gargoyles were in the wyvern clan? I know there are 36 in the Avalon Clan but doesn't that mean that around 30 eggs are laid and hatched every 20 years, and if they live for about 200 years doesn't that mean there are about 300 in the clan, this seems like a lot even after the clan splits?

bob
no, are ya mad these are your childern... no one threatens my eggs.- princess Katherine- "Avalon Part 2"

Off-topic> Anybody 'spread the word' about the new Gargoyles stuff to close people lately?

I've found 2 people at my job who are/were into Gargoyles and now know about the comics/DVDs/Gathering.

In fact, my boss was just begging me to get Keith David's autograph for her this summer. LOL.

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

Greg has said that New Olympus is fairly large. I wonder if it has more than one city, like what we saw was the capitol city and there were smaller villages elsewhere on the island.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

DPH : Of course, there is always the possibility that Greg simply doesn't know the exact deathdate of a very minor character.
Spen

Matt - Ahh, I see the error in my math. Of course, one questions remains: how is Proteus feed? Given his shape-shifting abilities, one would wonder if he is feed just enough to get by with, not enough to accumulate excess energy. Also, the same question applies to New Olympus in general. I have to wonder just how big New Olympus is. I also would wonder if the New Olympians are mostly herbivores.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

DPH> I believe your logic is flawed. First of all, we need to keep in mind that it seems Proteus has been captured more than once. Taurus said something like "During his LAST attempt to escape" implying there has been more than one escape and capture. Anyway, as for the dates, what you say doesn't make sense. We don't know the dates for Feb 16th through April. What if Proteus escaped and murdered Taurus's dad on say March 10th, 1995? That would make him an excapee for LESS then a year. It would be the previous year, but not MORE than a year. I don't see what you are trying to say. How could he been loose for more than a year if only 10-12 months have passed?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

"Any suggestions on how to store safely?"

Wear football pads and a helmet while approaching the bookshelf. And goggles. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Brigadoon Traveller: Ack! Thanks for catching that! I've corrected it on the site.
Ed
"Knowledge is hassle." -- Karl Pilkington

DPH: I got mine in the plastic-slip that the store gave me on the day of purchase. It also has a little white-cardboard-thing for support.

Elections: Huh, still waiting for MY check . . . . :(

Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Matt - < I don't think the murder happened that day either, but why would that mean it was over a year earlier?> Simple logic. We know that on Greg's time line, the murder was not explicitly listed as happening between April 7 and February 15. Why April 7? That's the 1st day Greg started doing This day in Gargoyles' Universe History. Therefore, if the murder didn't occur on that day and Greg knows the date of the murder, it had to have occurred after February 15. And if it occurred after February 15, we know that it has to have occurred at the least the year before. There's one event that I'm looking for to show up on the timeline.

Yea, I got my check from the county for working in the elections on February 5. That means I'll be able to order the gargoyles trade. Any suggestions on how to store safely?

dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

My Valentine's Day was better than the one Bugs Moran's North Side gang had in 1929. :P

The Gathering of the Gargoyles is now accepting bids for the hosting of The Gathering 2009. Details are posted on the Gathering web site.

133 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!

Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Tony> Happy belated birthday!

DPH> I don't think the murder happened that day either, but why would that mean it was over a year earlier?

Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

I don't mind V-Day. If you're single, just pamper yourself. If you're with someone, don't stress over it or make a big fuss, because nothing will ruin a nice romantic day faster.

My V-Day was great. I started it off asleep at my desk at work, had a doctor's appointment (where I confirmed my heart health -- good cholesterol), came home and went to bed, then when I got up I bought a shiny new laptop to replace my 7-year old one that just bricked due to a loose power supply jack (it's got other problems, too, not worth repairing -- so happy V-Day to me!), called my dad to wish him happy birthday (no answer, hope he was out celebrating), had a dinner of leftover steak from a Brazilian restaurant, and finished with a glass of wine and some chunks of a chocolate heart box that I got from sale after last V-Day, which I served by sealing it in a plastic bag and bashing it to pieces with a heavy metal ice cream scoop. (Very satisfying, should you bitter singles want to try this route.) Then I went to work again.

All a very routine Valentine's Day.

bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."

Tony : A happy belated birthday to you, then!
Spen

Spen -- I too, though single still enjoy Valentine's Day if only for the fact that it was the day my parents got married, and everyone thought my mother was going to bail on my dad (who everyone thought wasn't worth a plug nickel). Turns out her car merely broke down, and she came into the Church WAY late.

Still, it's a cute story for the romantics in all of us . . . .

Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Well, I don't really know. New Olympus is probably not that big of a place, so there's not many places to hide. But then again, Proteus is a shape-shifter, so I imagine he could hide for a very long time.
Rebel

From the timeline:

February 14th, 1996
On New Olympus, Taurus apprehends the murderer Proteus.

Anybody care to speculate that the murder didn't occur on February 14? Other Taurus would have been looking for Proteus for over a year.

dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Okay, everyone, lay off Travis. Yeah, I agree that his post was somewhat pointless, but the reaction has been so over the top.

Do I wonder why he made it? Yeah, I guess. But ultimately, it does not really matter. It was polite, it wasn't trolling, and honestly, not worth replying to.

But, tastes and opinions can and do change. Often you do mentally move on. For example, once upon a time, I thought "The Star Wars Trilogy" were the greatest movies ever made. The greatest. But, I got older, I matured, my tastes changed, and while I still like them (well, not "Jedi"), I know longer think they're the greatest. They're no longer in my Top Ten. Hell, they're not even in my Top Fifty, maybe not even in my Top One Hundred. I just don't see myself ever sitting down and watching them again. Maybe this is how Travis feels. Maybe not, but honestly, he did not deserve that reaction.

Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert

Warcrafter> Can I ask you to be more specific? If you're asking about the release date for Bad Guys #2/Gargoyes #8, the current ballpark guess by fans in here is around mid to late March. (Gargoyles #1-7, Bad Guys #1, and the trade paperback collecting Gargoyles #1-6 are all already available through your local comic store, Amazon, etc.)
Meg

Spen> You're not the only single guy that likes V-Day. But the only reason I like it is because I was born on that day 27 years ago.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini

The poster is of the Gargotyles (Goliath in the leqad, of course) flying out from the Castle. It's dark/black with the word "Gargoyles" at the top.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.

Travis's post baffles me, too. I can understand his tastes changing and his decision to move on. But to post a dramatic goodbye message doesn't make sense. When I lose interest in something, I just stop being involved in it and move on. It's generally more of a gradual fade than a sudden cutting off.
But we should be polite to Travis. Because in my experience people who post dramatic goodbyes ALWAYS come back.

Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]

I've also found myself mentally moving away from "Gargoyles" to some extent, though I still regularly come here. Of course, some of it might be self-defense in case the comic book does wind up cancelled from dropping sales. But also, it's been over ten years since the show ended, and during that time, I've found other things.

(Speaking of the dropping sales, David's post has supported my suspicion that the delays in getting it out *are* a reason for that.)

Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

Travis> I'm completely with Bluewyvern here. A guy comes onto the board and says that "Gargoyles" was something that used to be important to hm, but he feels like he can't recapture the way he felt about it nack in the 90s so he's moving on. And what's the room response? "Oh, some fan you are?" "You can't do that! The comic needs you support!" "Why did you even post here? Go away!" That's really great PR right there. Yes, it's frustrating to see someone leaving them fandom at a time when we really could use every fan we can get. But is taking out all of that frustration on the one guy who comes here to say how he feels going to make anything better? No. It just makes us look like a desperate little group who's going to jump all over anyone who's not acting like a "true fan". If I was in Travis's position, I'd honestly be thinking "Well geez, I guess leaving "Gargoyles" behind is the right thing to do because I don't want to be around these people." Personally, I'm glad "Gargoyles" has been important to Travis and I understand that not all of us feel exactly the same way about it. I know that people do change and move on from things that were once a big part of their lives. Travis, I hope you may reconsider leaving "Gargoyles" someday, but it's your choice and you're entitled to it.

Spen> I have no issue with Valentine's Day. I just happened to not do too much because my husband was working all day and we'd done Valentine's like stuff previously.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Hey, you can't save 'em all. Was Travis's post depressing? Yeah, but that's life.

Spen: <Incidentally, am I the only single person here who likes V-day?>

Probably. Of course, this holiday was made worse by the shooting at Northern Illinois, where my uncle works as a Physics professor. Thankfully, he's all right (he was on the other side of the campus, I think), but he's a little shaken right now.

Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Snowshoes that bind me down. Just one more parasite in the surface layer. And I begin to get the feeling that I've been on this stage before and I'm the only player." -Ian Anderson

Bluewyvern : *applauds*

KingCobra : My Valentine's day was quite enjoyable. We had a great gig at the health center, and dispite what every weatherman in the QCA thought, the snow held off for the entire day. Add all that to a nice dinner, and a good movie, and it all equals out to a very good day.

Incidentally, am I the only single person here who likes V-day?

Harverster : You'd better hope that book wasn't from my collection. If it was, then I'm afraid I'll probably have to kill you.

Spen

Lighten up on Travis, everybody -- his post was honest, respectful, and sincere. He doesn't "owe it" to us or anybody to stay a fan, but he did want to come in here to acknowledge the good times and say thanks.

You can't win them all, and believe it or not, people's interests and tastes do change. Do we all think Gargoyles is fabulous and love it to death? Yes. Does that mean everyone else has to agree? No. And that doesn't make them tasteless morons, either. I love Gargoyles and always will, but it's not inconceivable that I could have been making a similar post myself a few years ago. Sometimes old loves just don't resonate the same way with you any more, and pretending that they do can be a mistake.

Yes, Gargoyles needs some support right now. Yes, we'd like it if there were more people declaring their love than saying goodbye. But it's pretty rude to jump down the throat of someone who just came to bid a fond farewell. Way to reach out to people.

Travis, thanks for coming by to let us know how much Gargoyles meant to you. Maybe the bug will bite you again some day, but even if not, I wish you well.

bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."

Battle Beast> I second that.

"Hell, I still have the poster on my ceiling! It's been their since 1997!"

What's on the poster?

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

Travis, get outta here. We don't need people like you telling us that you are a fan but "Are saying goodbye". WE NEED ALL THE FANS WE CCAN GET RIGHT NOW. You are not helping!

And yes, thei is the WRONG place to post that, Travis!
I too, like all of you, are baffled by Travis's post. I mean... Gah!

He isn't a fan. I stayed with the show since it left the air! I was with it since Episode 2! I never left! Hell, I still have the poster on my ceiling! It's been their since 1997!

Travis... if you were a fan, you'd stay. If not, good luck to you.

When we need fans the most... they leave us. Huh.

Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.

Travis> *blinks*

Off-topic> How was everyone's Valentine's day?

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

Hey everyone. Since I only go to this site like once in a while now, I have a lot to catch up on. However, I dont see that happening. So, what's the deal with these comic release dates that I keep hearing about.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
H2O Goliath will woop your ass

You know, we've seen lots of people come in who are brand new to Gargoyles and love it and we've seen lots of people come in who grew up with Gargoyles and have re-discovered it and love it but I think Travis is the first person to ever come in here and tell us how he grew up with Gargoyles, is impressed by the new comics and yet is no longer interested in being a fan. I mean, what the heck is that? Should we thank him for telling us this bit of info? Should we try to convince him to keep being a fan? His whole post baffles me.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Wow, thanks Travis. You're a true blue fan *rolls eyes* Just when we are in most need of fans, one who's know it from the beginning is "over it". Well a Merry Valentine's Day to you too.
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.

Hey everyone,

I just e-mailed my local comic store asking them about the sales for Gargoyles and if I could maybe write a small review of the series to be placed under the book on their shelves. This was the response I received.

"David,

Gargoyles does very well for an "indy" book, though they've been a little hurt by some erratic shipping schedules. I'd say it's on par with a Wildstorm or Vertigo book, or many Image and Dark Horse titles.

We always welcome reviews of books folks are enjoying; I'll put a slip in your box. If you're interested, feel free to send a write-up to Evan at Evan@ThatsE.com, and he may be able to include something in our "reviews" section of the weekly email newsletter too.

Thanks!

George"

I was thinking maybe this is something we could all try. Comic stores have a great incentive to help us promote a book, and of course, comic stores have the prefect target audience for the Gargoyles comic. What do you all think?

-David

David - [souiofangelus at aol dot com]

If you like Gargoyles why are you saying goodbye to it?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Hi there, I don't know if I'm posting this in the appropriate area of your site, but I'll take the chance.

I am one of those fans (many of whom you have no doubt heard from by the bucketload each day) who grew up with 'Gargoyles.' I was in the first grade when it first aired here in Canada and I followed every episode as if there was nothing else in the world, all the way up to the third season when I reached grade three (and oddly enough I was somehow intelligent enough to not enjoy that season along with almost everyone else).

Brooklyn was always my favourite, maybe just because he was red, or maybe because of the stellar voice Jeff Bennett provided for him, but he was the goyle I rooted for.

I checked out SLG series last summer, and I had to say that I was pretty impressed, and I could easily hear all the characters voices flowing out of them (especially Thailog and his laugh).

However, the reason I'm writing to you is basically to say goodbye to Gargoyles. They've given me something in my early years that I can't describe and will never forget, but I can see now that I'm over them.

What I've written here is to say goodbye to some old friends and to thank you (and some of your friends) for what you gave me: A fantastic universe filled with angels of the night, terrifying villains and night skies where chances are nine out of ten of there being a full moon. (People can say what they will about the stars but I personally prefer the moon.)

I can't think of anything else to say now but...WE ARE GARGOYLES!!!
(But not really.)

Travis - [kradeiz at hotmail dot com]
TStamler

Vicky: December 22nd?? Dang it!!!! I was told it'd be the 13th of December!! They're not going to let me change the reservations this late in the game!! :P
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Ed> I just took a look at the gargoylescomic.com site; I have to say it's looking quite good and its a nice to have everything on one page. One minor thing though - in the Gargoyles no. 7 plot summary, you've described the stone of Destiny as Jason's pillow, when it should actually be Jacob's pillow. Just a minor quibble.
brigadoon traveller

Vicky: Which is exactly why I'm looking forward to December 22nd, 2012. It'll be amusing to watch all the people flood the malls in an effort to get their shopping done.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
Kevin Lomax: "What about love?" John Milton: "Overrated. biochamically no different than eating large quantities of chocolate." ("The Devil's Advocate")

Happy Make Corporations Money Day!

*spots a Jane Austen novel lying on the ground, and bends over to pick it up*

Hey, did anyone lose a...

*as his fingers make contact with it, the novel suddenly bursts into flames. He quickly leaps out of the way as everything within a three foot radius of the book is consumed by fire. Stands there after the flames disperse, staring at the perfectly curved indentation left in the ground. No ashes remain.*

Oh, no, not again. I keep forgetting I'm anti-Romantic. Looking forward to the next few days, though, when the chocolate goes down to fifty percent off.

Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
Kevin Lomax: "What about love?" John Milton: "Overrated. biochamically no different than eating large quantities of chocolate." ("The Devil's Advocate")

I just found this website by accident and I thought it was a interesting read. It's about the Mayan Calendar that predicts the End of the World on Winter Solstice 21st December 2012.

http://www.planetpapp.com/br21december2012/

Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]

> think Xanatos wanted a Goliath (and clan) that he could control. Recruiting homeless people off the street was the easy way to build a clan from humans no one would notice, but getting an effective leader was more difficult. Xanatos chose Derek because his connection to Elisa protected him in many ways both legally and from the Manhattan Clan. He also chose Derek because of his natural leadership abilities. And I'm sure the fact that Derek had lots of flying experience factored in as well.

How exactly did Derek's connection to Elisa protect Xanatos legally?

Michael Ejercito - [mejercit at hotmail dot com]

Maybe the Banshee told Odin. If she left Ireland and was out running into other fae, like Puck, she could easily have come across Odin, too. She probably told him about the eye in order to make trouble for Goliath (and possibly curry some favor with him, though that didn't seem to pan out). Likewise, she may have told Puck about the Gathering knowing he would resist, and hoping that would be a distraction that would give her time to evade capture herself.

I wonder what else she did while she was on the run.

bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."

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HTML entities should end with a semi-colon. So something like NBSP (HTML entity for non-breaking space) should look like this: &nbsp;

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Gorebash

Bah. I hate valentine's day. Makes me remember that, like Demona, I am always alone. :(
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.

Well, Goliath and Co were hanging out on Avalon when Odin sensed the Eye, maybe that has something to do with it. And one reason it took him three months is because the Travelers didn't start voyaging out from Avalon for a few months real world time.

What I want to know is how did Banshee know the Gathering was coming up but Puck did not? When did Banshee learn this and why did she have to tell Puck?

Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Sorry for the double post, but also, Happy Apprehension of Proteus Day!
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Odin and the Eye> I'm wondering about that myself: what happened that made Odin aware that Goliath was in possession of his missing eye, which Goliath had from "Eye of the Beholder" to "High Noon" and then from the end of "Avalon" onward until Odin reclaimed it? And why did it take Odin three months to draw the skiff and its crew to Norway?
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Happy Single Awareness Day everyone!
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.

I also want to comment about some other pre-screening. I don't email .edu email addys because there are college email addresses. Assumedly/hopefully, by now, that person is no college in college and therefore the student email account is terminated. What's surprising to me are the sheer number of invalid yahoo.com email addys. Given the trouble that I experienced terminating my original email addy and yahoo emails current policies, I expected most of those to be in tact.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Happy Valentine's day everyone!
Spen

From the timeline:

February 13th. Odin becomes aware that Goliath has the Eye of Odin.

May 19th. . . Meanwhile, Goliath, Elisa, Angela and Bronx, also depart Avalon and are drawn to Norway by the power of Odin, who appears to them in the form of an old man and tries to get Goliath to trade the Eye of Odin for a coat to keep Elisa warm. Elisa and Goliath agree to pass on his offer. But Elisa is on the verge of hypothermia. She takes shelter with local farmer Erik Sturluson and his son Gunther ("Eye of the Storm").

February 6th. After a week of licking her wounds, the Banshee is able to reform herself. She flees Ireland in order to hide from both Oberon and Cu Chullain.

April 25th. The Banshee informs Puck that the Gathering is at hand.


February 8th. . . And in Nigeria, Tea is marked by a were-panther on the day she departs for the city of Abuja.

May 16th. Goliath, Angela, and Bronx awaken on Avalon and depart the island with Elisa. They land in Nigeria, in time to hear Elisa's mother, Diane Maza, tell the story of the Panther Queen before the Feast of the Panther Queen. The Maza reunion is interrupted by poachers, led by Tea, whose former love Fara Maku turns into a panther before their eyes. Tea shoots Fara, who escapes into the jungle. The gargoyles and the Mazas take down the poachers and attempt to protect Fara from Tea, who turns out to be another were-panther. ("Mark of the Panther")


May 2nd. The Matrix, having evolved beyond Fox and Anastasia's control, threatens to spread its vision of "order" across the entire planet. Goliath and Angela reluctantly join forces with Dingo to try to rectify the situation. Ultimately, Goliath and Dingo enter the Dreamtime and convince the Matrix to abandon its pursuit of a pristine and orderly universe to seek out "Law and Order" instead. The Matrix and Dingo agree to join forces as heroes, and the Matrix merges with Dingo's armor. Elisa and the gargoyles return to Avalon, where it is morning again. The gargoyles sleep. ("Walkabout")

May 8th. Xanatos begins to actively search the globe for Coldstone.

dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Mochi> Nice dream. LOL. Don't feel bad, you're not the only one to have screwy Gargoyles-related dreams.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

Interesting. I just presumed he could magically sense it, and it traveling with Goliath was the best opportunity to reclaim it (as opposed to going to New York and trying to steal it, which would be much tricker from a noninterference standpoint).

But the fact that it's on TDiGUH indicates that it's an event -- something happened. Hmm.

bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."

Concerning the release dates: the only reason I can think of to be concerned is if a Gargoyles fan stumbles across the site and misinterprets it as being that THAT is the release date. I think it's okay to print what we know to be fact, which is that the issue is "Awaiting Approval," or what have you.


On another topic, today's "This Day In Gargoyles History" was interesting. If I remember correctly (and I just recently watched "Eye of the Storm" with my friend and his fiancee), Odin brought the travelers to Norway because he knew that Goliath had the Eye on him. So I'm wondering how he knew that Goliath possessed the Eye.

Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Perhaps it is because I feel comfortable manipulating humans that I desire to save them. My feelings and thoughts constantly migrate to binary opposites." -Durandal

Are we sure that Arthur's missing adventure is the topic of PENDRAGON? I was more thinking that that particular story might be told via flashback in #7-9 (or not at all) and then PENDRAGON would start after #9....
Meg - [y]

**dph grabs a automatic air-powered staple gun, pulls out a poster, lays the poster on a wall, lets go of the poster, rapid fires the staple gun. A new world record is achieved. The poster has the following message:

MIA: Guandalug la'Fay
Wanted for contact to adjust multiple pages on the gargoyles-fans.org websites to advertise for gargoyles comics. Those websites have a high ranking on the search engines so advertising on those would help a bunch.**

dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Just got another positive response. That's two I've found. Like Ed said, the majority of the email addys maybe worthless, but the ones that aren't are potential gold.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

That Arthur tease is really something. I'm excited to find out what that first journey was now. That said, I hope it doesn't take up too much of the Pendragon mini; with Bad Guys doing a lot in flashbacks and Gargoyles still dealing with the few weeks after "Hunter's Moon", it would be nice to feel like time is moving on.

Registry Project: Make that two positives! I know getting the odd positive response back might not sound that impressive, but these are people who are committed fans and will be likely to read regularly and help spread the word. Sure, a majority of e-mails bounce, more won't get checked, many people already know and the odd person may no longer care. But the remainder are gold dust. And we don't know how many people haven't checked their mails yet or read but decided not to respond.

I've also been trying to get in touch with a few CR posters who haven't been around in recent years and I've been looking up some older mailing lists and forums which are Disney comics and Gargoyles based -- most have a lot of spam now, but the memberships are pretty large so who knows who might still be reading. DPH has found some other cool leads to chase up as he works through the alphabet.

Ed
"If an animal's named after what it eats, what's the point of it?" -- Karl Pilkington

At last, I have finally got my TPB. My comic book store gave me a great deal on it (12 bucks) since I had to wait so long.

Obviously, I like it a great deal. I wish it were a little bigger and had more extras, but the important thing is that it exists.

Rebel

I just had the strangest dream...and it's somehow Gargoyles related...

So it starts out like a drug deal that's about to wrong...and I was dealing with a former co-worker from a department store that I used to work at... Out of nowhere, paint ball guns start firing and I duck for cover. Jackal and Hyena start filling the room with paint balls. Owen appears and gets hog tied by Jackal and Hyena...

And then I wake up...

Immediately, I start thinking, "WTF is happening in my brain?"

The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>O.o)> WTF...

Todd - That's one positive versus 175 returns for invalid email address. Still, one new person buying comics helps. It starts small by reaching one more person. Who knows where that goes from there. Last night, I finished emailing the list from the letters B to J. Like I told Ed, I'm hoping to finish emailing the entire list minus those we know that know about the comic by two weeks before next issue is released. I'm sending my results to Ed to keep track of whose email addys still work.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Gargoyles mate on the autumn equinoxes and lay their eggs six months later on the spring equinoxes. So, Angela and Broadway mated last September and Angela will lay the egg containing Artus in about a month and a half. Artus will then hatch ten years later in March, 2018.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Arthur: hmm, so that's why he decides to leave Avalon twice -- I was confused by the dates at first, but apparently he had a bad experience on the first outing, and was considering remaining on Avalon again. Now it's starting to make sense. Intriguing!

Gargoyle hatching: they may well mark the spring equinox, the night of hatching and the renewal of the earth. (It's spring equinox for hatching and winter solstice for mating, right? Or is it the other way around? Can never remember.) I'm sure it's a celebration of life in general, and, gargoyles being as communally-minded as they are, doesn't celebrate the individual. (As someone mentioned, I don't think birthdays had really caught on much among humans at that point, anyway.) I also doubt that they'll ever take much to the human custom of gift-giving, since they are generally uninterested in material things. Yeah, modern human ways are seductive, but gargoyle culture is still pretty strong.

I think, time dilation aside, the Avalon gargoyles are in sync with the rest of the world. I believe Greg has said that they hatched on a global hatching date (which meant that, as they experienced time, they stayed in their shells a little longer than normal until they caught up to the nearest hatching cycle), and that they will mate on a global mating date (even if it will come about ten years earlier in their lives than for other gargoyles). They're that in tune with the global biorhythms, even when they're living on a magically sheltered island in distorted time.

bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."

Release Dates> Greg B, I understand your concern, but it seems like no one else thinks that having estimated release dates is quite such a big deal. I do think there should be a disclaimer saying that these are estimated months of release based on past history and information on the status of the comics provided by Greg Weisman and are extremely subject to change. But I don't think providing a good, information based guess as to when the comics will be out is a major wrong against journalistic integrity. Even when we get release dates from Slave Labor themselves, they don't always prove to be the case. As long as it's clear where these dates came from, I don't have any problem with it.

GFR Mailing> Well, that's how many responses dph has recieved so far. We don't yet know out of how many e-mails, but we've also got to keep in mind that many of these e-mail addresses may no longer be valid. I know my current e-mail isn't on that list.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

DPH - How many people did you e-mail? If it was a lot of them, one positive response out of a large number doesn't sound promising.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

I think that something along the lines of

GARGOYLES #8: Status: Being approved (based on precedent, we are guessing this issue will be released in March).

is fine. I do think it's important to offer people SOME sort of anticipated release date for upcoming issues, so we aren't left with the appearance of a #2-like limbo. Remember, for people unfamiliar with the Gargoyles publishing process, being approved doesn't mean anything--for all they know, it takes six months to approve an issue. As others have said, as long as it's made clear that it's fandom's guess and not any sort of official word, it's fine.

Meg - [y]

I also don't think there is anything wrong with "making up" an estimated release date as long as the fact that it is ONLY an estimate and could change is made clear.

DPH> Good job!

Derek Maza> I think Xanatos wanted a Goliath (and clan) that he could control. Recruiting homeless people off the street was the easy way to build a clan from humans no one would notice, but getting an effective leader was more difficult. Xanatos chose Derek because his connection to Elisa protected him in many ways both legally and from the Manhattan Clan. He also chose Derek because of his natural leadership abilities. And I'm sure the fact that Derek had lots of flying experience factored in as well.

Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

I got 1 positive response back from mass-mailing JEB's old fans registry list. **collapses**
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

I don't think there's really anything wrong with an estimate as long as it's packaged as such.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]

The status is that there is NO release date, so he shouldn't invent one based on nothing.

"Status: Awaiting Approvals" is fine. Status with a release date once we know one is fine also.

But don't make one up.

Greg Bishansky
"Leonardo was a great Italian, and that was our name originally, Leonardo. But many years ago, when my grandpa came over from Sicily, they changed it at Ellis Island to Leotardo. Because they're stupid, that's why, and jealous. They disrespected our proud Italian heritage and named us after a ballet costume." - Phil Leotardo

In addition to putting your anticipated release dates, you could also (if it would be appropriate) put a little information on there about what led you to your release date. For example, you could put the upcoming issues' current "status"...so for #8, I guess that would be "getting approved by Disney". That way, viewers of your site have a *very* tentative release date, but also know what stage the upcoming issues are at. This way, they won't have to wonder what's holding things up.

Just a thought. Obviously you wouldn't want to have a paragraph for every issue, maybe just a sentence or so. Nothing that would detract from the overall site or make it too "wordy".

Rebel

I'm open to suggestions on the future release dates for my site. What do you all suggest?
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini

Oh yea, one more thing: Remember that King Arthur left Avalon on January 1. He didn't return until February 12. That's one long stop.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Anthony - I'm not inclined to argue with your intention, but I'm concerned about your method. I sent you an email asking you to check some stuff on your website.

Point 1)Here's exactly what I'm seeing on your website:

T H E &nbspG A R G O Y L E S &nbspP U L S E

Last Updated: &nbsp02/12/2008

Solution 1)I shouldn't be seeing "&nbsp" anywhere on your webpage. Please fix it. An easy way to fix it to put a space right after the 'p'.

Point 2)Your content is way off. According to Greg's ramble, issue #8 was sent to Disney late last week aka ~February 8. Even if Disney takes about a little bit over a month to approve it, issue #8 should come out in **March** not April.

Point 3)Last updated isn't very good wording. When there are long stretches (like weeks) between getting new info, you don't need to keep the notice of when the page was last updated if the update notice is the only thing changed. Something along the lines of "New information was last released on " and let it be.

Again, Anthony, we're trying to offer constructive criticism so your website is serving its intended purpose.

dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

This is not about starting a fight, but if you want to run a news site that is at least a little bit reputable, you can't just post any thing you want without any concrete information. You just can't.

You know what they say about those who assume.

You can't just make up facts, based on supposition, and call it a fact. Stephen Colbert aside, facts are facts. Now, it you are running a site based on the concept of truthiness and not facts, then say so on the web page.

Otherwise, you're just the National Enquirer and Dan Rather.

Greg Bishansky
"Leonardo was a great Italian, and that was our name originally, Leonardo. But many years ago, when my grandpa came over from Sicily, they changed it at Ellis Island to Leotardo. Because they're stupid, that's why, and jealous. They disrespected our proud Italian heritage and named us after a ballet costume." - Phil Leotardo

Gargoyle birthdays> Just adding my two cents. As others have said, there's little reason to have a celebration for it. Everyone is hatched around the same time, there isn't much of anything unique about it. Heck, even among humans birthdays are celebrated and treated differently, if they're celebrated or acknowledged at all. I think, if they have any sort of celebration, it'd be more of a solstice celebration than specifically a birthday celebration.
Asatira

Derek/Talon > Even if he could get a full profile of Derek, he still wouldn't know that he'd be right for the mutate project. A profile can only tell you so much about someone...it's no substitute for actually getting to know them.
Rebel

Where would Xanatos get a full profile on Derek? He could probably obtain his service record; but he would not know which buttons to push.
Michael Ejercito - [mejercit at hotmail dot com]

Gargoyle birthdays> I think they probably realize that when it's been roughly another year since their date of hatching, due to their deep connection with the earth and its rhythms. But my guess is that gargoyle clans mark the aging of their members differently than our once yearly celebrations. Entire generations, an possibly whole clans, are hatched on the same day of the year, so it certainly wouldn't be an individualized celebration like ours are. Keep in mind also that gargoyles were also traditionally warriors and, even more so than with humans, each birthday could end up serving as a painful reminder of how many fewer members of your generation are celebrating it with you. Back in the tenth century, living another year was probably reward enough in itself.

Certainly though, I think gargoyles recognize the passage into different stages of life and mark those with celebrations. (The mating ceremony, for example, assuming there's more to it than simply mating.) And there's been suggestion that Hudson is particularly venerated because it was unusual in 10th century Scotland for a gargoyle to live to his age.

Of course, modern clans may well be more influenced by human cultures and start celebrating the day that they hatched. Gargoyles are prey to mortal failings after all, and I could easily see one or two young gargoyles thinking that getting a bunch of presents every year on the day you hatched would be pretty awesome.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

I highly doubt that they would be able to celebrate Hatch Day's with a lot of gusto, since their is nothing about their birthdays to difference themselves with their kin. Also it would be a lot of food in the making for that one day; though I doubt birthdays were a big fussy in the days of Princess Katherine.
Blue Demon - [bluedemon62athotmaildotcom]

Phil> "The birthdays (or hatchdays) of every gargoyle in the world are within days of each other."

What about on Avalon? Since it has its' own time zone, I highly doubt the Gargoyles there would celebrate their birthdays around the same time as everyone else. They'd celebrate theirs much later, if my calculations are accurate.

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

"Release Dates in Training" would also be a good title.

It doesn't matter because it's all tentative just like when G4 TV reported on information about the release of Super Smash Bros Brawl. Using the information provided by Nintendo, they told the world that it was to be released in Dec 2007, but it didn't get released that day. It got delayed to Feb '08. And G4 told us so. Then it got delayed to March and we were kept informed.

So I'm informing the world that these dates are tentative just like anything else in the world with a release date attached to it, so there's really no reason to argue about something inherently indefinite.

(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini

Battle Beast> I don't think Greg has said officially, but I highly doubt that gargoyles celebrate birthdays for the simple fact that they all hatch at about the same time, on or around the spring equinox. The birthdays (or hatchdays) of every gargoyle in the world are within days of each other.
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]

Comics Dates> Well call them "Estimated Dates of Release" so there's no confusion that this is any kind of a finalized list or anything other than an educated guess based on what Greg W. has said his schedule look like. This does not need to be the start of a big argument.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

I LOVE that line.

Anyway, QUESTION:

Do Gargoyles celebrate birthdays? Or is it not a big deal to them?

Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.

I respectfully requested of Greg Weisman to give us a tentative schedule of comic release dates for 2008. He did not, but he did give us the information to figure it out. So his guesses are just as good as our guesses because he doesn't know for sure and neither do we.

So if it comes early, then it's a pleasant surprise. If it comes later, then it's a let down. Either way, educated guesses using the facts provided by Greg Weisman are a better estimate than the previous schedule that was provided to us many months ago.

Also, I can get away with posting it because on my site for it says: "Future Releases (subject to change)."

(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini

Tony> Just because you surmise that doesn't make it anything official. You are running a news site. That's not news, that's your guess. Don't put that up.
Greg Bishansky
"Leonardo was a great Italian, and that was our name originally, Leonardo. But many years ago, when my grandpa came over from Sicily, they changed it at Ellis Island to Leotardo. Because they're stupid, that's why, and jealous. They disrespected our proud Italian heritage and named us after a ballet costume." - Phil Leotardo

After translating Greg's ramble about the comics, this is what I surmise:

Disney approves Gargoyles #8 by late Feb/early March. SLG sends it to press and the comic will be ready for distribution around late March/early April 2008.

Bad Guys #2 is being lettered which means it's almost done. It doesn't need to be colored so I don't know how long lettering takes, but if they finish it in February, it'll probably be sent to Disney early March and be approved by early April. Then SLG sends it to press and the comic will be ready for distribution around late April/early May.

Surmised Tentative Schedule (will update the Gargoyles Pulse with this info):
Gargoyles #8 - Apr 08
Bad Guys #2 - May 08
Gargoyles #9 - Jun 08
Bad Guys #3 - Jul 08
Gargoyles #10 - Aug 08
Bad Guys #4 - Sept 08
Gargoyles #11 - Oct 08
Bad Guys #5 - Nov 08
Gargoyles #12 - Dec 08
Bad Guys #6 - Jan 09

(I know I'm going to butcher this quote, but I'm going to attempt it.)
I remember...the castle...the Vikings...Goliath...my rookery brother...and then...oblivion. - Feb 09

(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini

R.I.P. Roy Schnieder.

Also, a heart-felt R.I.P. to Steven Gerber; creator of Howard the Duck, Thundarr the Barbarian and writer of many 1970's comics and 1980's cartoon series. He will be missed.


-- Stephen

Stephen R. Sobotka - [ssobotkajr at gmail dot com]
Steven's Obit under my name-link.

TDiGUH also means that Arthur encountered Goliath, Elisa, Angela and Bronx again before setting out and landing in London. I wonder if they'll all leave at the same time.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Sorry for the double, but...

Todd> I'm sure he would like to. I'm guessing that as long as there's some hope of the stories continuing to be told in some form or other, we're going to see new revelations held back. It doesn't necessarily mean that "Pendragon" is going to happen. But if Greg can do it, I imagine he will.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

TDiGUH> "February 12th...
1996
After (withheld), King Arthur Pendragon returns to Avalon, unsure whether or not he'll ever go back to the real world."

Interesting. Doesn't sound like Arthur's pre-"Pendragon" (the episode) adventures gave him a very positive view of the modern world. I wonder what convinced him to try again?

Incidentally, Gore, the Comment Room is reading the type of brackets Greg uses for "Withelds" as UBB tags. I don't know if it's fixable, but just though you and everyone else should be aware of it.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Greg's use of "withheld" in today's entry for This Day in the Gargoyles Universe makes me wonder if he still has hopes of doing the "Pendragon" spin-off. I hope he gets the go-ahead on it, also.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

Rebel - I have to throw a monkey wrench into your theory about Xanatos not knowing Derek that well before hiring him. Given Xanatos's resources and assumed competency , he pulled out Derek's profile completely and read it throughly before approaching Derek. That gave him the knowledge of exactly what buttons to push to make Derek behave a certain way. As demonstrated in "Metamorphosis", Xanatos wasn't entirely sure of Derek's personality, but had a contigency plan in case Derek failed to act a certain way, which is quite reasonable.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Ed - I hope I haven't overwhelmed you with emails. Greg Weisman's latest response gave me a motivational boost to try to finish processing all the email addys listed in JEB's old gargs fan registry before the next issue comes out.

If anybody in here gets an email from me using an old email address from JEB's fan registry, my apologies. I've been double checking any nicknames that seem familiar against posters in here as well as registered users at the gargwiki. JEB's list is a nice reminder that I've not been around here as long as some of the others have been. So far, for every 3 people I try to contact by email from JEB's list, I get 2 responses about an invalid email address. No surprise there.

dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Derek/Talon/Xanatos/etc. >

Xanatos' reasonings for getting Derek to work for him were probably to subdue Elisa, as others have said.

However...I don't know if I necessarily believe that turning Derek into a mutate was ALWAYS part of Xanatos' plan. I know this makes it seem like I'm doubting Xanatos, but to be honest, I think the notion that he had two separate schemes going (1. creating mutates and 2. putting Derek in a position that would make Elisa back off) and then later deciding to integrate them because it made perfect sense, is actually very true to Xanatos' character. Killing two birds with one stone seems appropriate. Before Xanatos employed Derek, he would not have known him well at all, obviously. I think it was shortly after Derek was employed by Xanatos that Xanatos realized that he'd be a great addition to the mutate bunch and a good leader for them to follow (and would only further "put Elisa in her place").

Obviously, this is just an interpretation. It's very possible that he planned to turn Derek into a mutate, before ever even meeting the guy.

Rebel

Roy Scheider> I side with Blaise. RIP, Chief Martin Brody.

Blaise> "Okay...since I have no idea what kind of monologue you're doing, my advice would be limited. Some tricks and tips I would give (which you may already know):
--Naturally, have a firm idea of the who and why, the "arc" and that whole shebang (you know what I'm talking about)."

I was considering doing the campfire scene from Friday The 13th Part 2/F13: The Final Chapter opening. Except that this being a student film, I'm starting to doubt that it would really be relevant. Maybe I should try a monologue from something else. Maybe they'll have some printed and prepared there, like they did at the last one. I dunno.

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

****A shark's fin pierces the floor of the Comment Room as though it were water. The surface is finally broken by an immense Great White Shark...with a black band around its fin. The shark spits Blaise out of its mouth and into the Room, and then silently slips back beneath the floor. Blaise, who is also wearing a black armband, gets up, dusts himself off, and conjures a glass that he raises as if in toast.****

Here's to Roy Scheider, a man whose body of acting work is far larger than the shark that brought him into film immortality. He will be missed.

KINGCOBRA_582> Okay...since I have no idea what kind of monologue you're doing, my advice would be limited. Some tricks and tips I would give (which you may already know):
--Naturally, have a firm idea of the who and why, the "arc" and that whole shebang (you know what I'm talking about).
--Go through the whole piece and look for the "beats." Check each punctuation mark and see if it sparks the beginning of a new thought. If the piece is directed at another character, you can use their reactions (imagined, obviously) to propel the piece along. You may discover something interesting despite yourself.
--In your acting choices, think about what would be the *less* obvious choice. Usually (not always, though) the less obvious choice can be the more interesting. If nothing else, it will definitely make you stand out from those who did make the obvious choices.
--Don't worry about it. Yeah, that sounds silly, but try not to *need* to get the part.
Like I said, most of those you probably already know, so if nothing else, just take my well-wishes with you to the audition.

ED> Just a couple of quick responses:
"Vendettas"--the funny thing is, the episode WAS originally two separate episodes (they had to be combined when "Hunter's Moon" was downgraded from DTV to a multi-parter).
"Sanctuary"--to be fair, Thailog's motive wasn't just greed. He was specifically trying to put himself on "equal footing with Xanatos." It's that whole "bastard" thing, again.
And I must say I am completely flabbergasted that you didn't go into a rant on "M.I.A." and the accents. ;-)

GREG'S WORKLOAD> Wow...all that and a family, too. Strangely enough, I'm reminded of my workload in college (but I wasn't getting paid for most of that stuff). Well, all I can say is, "Go Greg!"

BG #4 COVER> Well, I must say that doesn't look like the Fang I know. Love the idea of the Daily Tattler, though. And look, Xanatos FINALLY makes it onto a cover!

MY FAVORITE/LEAST FAVORITE EPISODES> Better late than never....
Well, my FAVORITE is hard to say. There are many episodes that I thoroughly enjoy, many episodes I consider well-made, and sometimes the twain meets. I personally enjoy "Metamorphosis" and "Kingdom"--mostly because they focus on Brooklyn and the Mutates--but they do suffer from some problematic animation (the latter especially). I always enjoy "The Mirror" (for Elisa as a gargoyle if nothing else) and "Future Tense" (the sadist in me). "Deadly Force" is, I think, a great episode, and I like it a lot, there are others I like more. I love the whole of "Hunter's Moon" (although I still think that the scene between Elisa and Jason at the Clocktower would have made Jason's reformation A LOT smoother) and "City of Stone" was a wonderful experience. More than episodes, I tend to focus on favorite moments from many different eps ("the Kiss" of course, and Elisa in the Belle gown). An absolute favorite ep is a bit beyond me, I think.
LEAST FAVORITE episode is a bit easier. I've always found it hard to sit through "Protection." There are a number of reasons (sad to say, "No Brooklyn" may be one of them), and yet I don't dislike it as much as I once did. In addition, I still enjoy seeing Elisa in her "BAD" outfit.

Until next time, farwell. ****Blaise turns around and dives back into the floor.****

Blaise
"Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life."--Terry Pratchett's "Jingo"

Winspan would vary greatly from gargoyle to gargoyle. In Demona's case, I'd say her span is about 12-15 feet. That is totally a guess though.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Now what about wingspan? If Demona is say about six feet tall as a gargoyle would eighteen feet be right as to wingspan? (A body to wing ratio of 3 to 1) Or is it too small? Too big?
Shane - [sbrannon73 at yahoo dot com]

Kerry> That's what I mainly thought. Cartilage mostly. So no depictions of gargoyle skeletons having bony wings, I guess. It would decay rapidly like a shark skeleton.
Shane - [sbrannon73 at yahoo dot com]

Shane> Re: wings - There are a few options, actually.

1. Gargoyles could have mostly cartilage in their wing "fingers." This would make them a bit heavier, but with a more cartilaginous wing structure, they'd be extremely flexible.
2. Like bats, their cartilage could lack minerals near the tips, which gives increased flexibility; bats also have flattened wing bones instead of round ones. This one would apply to the mutates and might apply to gargs.

Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]

Todd: Not to mention the fact that he lets the gargoyles go at the end. I'm wondering how much of that was attributed to the fact that there was nothing in the scrolls he could use, and how much was attributed to what Broadway said.

Speaking of which, I never got the impression that Broadway was being too preachy. Simply bringing out the big guns, since Goliath was holding Merlin's biography of King Arthur over a firepot (a priceless artifact) and needed to be talked down.

Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Perhaps it is because I feel comfortable manipulating humans that I desire to save them. My feelings and thoughts constantly migrate to binary opposites." -Durandal

Shane> I imagine that there are bones in the wings at similar places they would be for any appendage- joint at the shoulder, joint at the *elbow* and an articulate *wrist* at the joint where the wing claws and struts begin. *most* of the wings (that are bat-like) follow a four-digit anatomy in compliance with their hands. If the wing is strutless, then s/he has a three-clawed wing. those with only one wing claw have 2 internal struts and the one long finger. then of course the 3 joints in every finger of the struts. It that enough 'flexibility' to account for how irrationally flexible the cartoon may look sometimes?
chris
why do we build castles in the sky?

Demonskrye> Well, it's nothing big, just a short student film. Comes with living relatively close to a campus, especially one with a film class. I don't even know much (or anything) what it's about.

I'm also currently looking into a couple of horror films, one of which may/will be presented at various horror cons in USA and Canada.

Ed Reynolds> "KingCobra: Good luck with the monologue."

Thanks. I could use it.

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

While the main reason (or initially the main reason) why I enjoyed "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time" so much was its introduction of the Arthurian cycle into "Gargoyles" (and I think it's one of the best - if not the best - uses of it in animated television), I've also come to appreciate the light that the episode throws on Macbeth's character.

Macbeth is still clearly the villain in it (he steals the Scrolls, kidnaps Broadway, and is ready to use him as a guinea pig), but look at how he talks about King Arthur's reign. He focuses on Camelot being a place of "beauty and civiliation", and how Arthur ruled "with wisdom and compassion". Those are the words of a man with a respect and admiration for higher things than mere power, and show us a glimpse of his nobler side - the side that will come to the fore in later stories, such as "City of Stone", "Sanctuary", and "The Journey" (and probably in the current Stone of Destiny story, though we've only seen the first third of it so far).

Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

Yeah, those were my thoughts. That he was kinda using 'Talon' as an intimidation tactic. Like a punishment for Elisa. Not necessarily revenge. In fact not revenge. But something to dissuade her from acting against him in the future. And as I was checking out Greg's ramble on that episode, where he mentions that Elisa's forwardness gave Xanatos pause. Maybe not just but because he wasn't expecting such aggression, but because he WAS expecting the opposite reaction. He was trying to break her, and his plan kinda had the opposite effect...

I dunno if that's obvious, or completely off... but uh, yeah. Just a thought I had.

Aldrius

I've searched the site exstensively and have not found much help on these questions.

1. What is the average wingspan of and adult gargoyle. (excluding Lexington)

2. How can gargoyle wings be sturdy enough for gliding yet still flap like leather capes when they're folded around themselves? Goliath, Hudson & Broadway have what appear to be supportive structures in the wing membranes. If they are bone they shouldn't be as flexible as they appear.

3. Same wing flexibility question for the mutates.

Shane - [sbrannon73 at yahoo dot com]

Anonymous> I certiainly wouldn't want to deny you that dream. For now, though, you'll just have to console yourself with being the inventor of the Finglonger. (I hope you know what I'm talking about and I haven't just confused everyone terribly.)

KingCobra> Well, like modern or classic, male, female, or either, any particular strengths you want to play to, etc.

There's a speech in "Hamlet" that I'm particularly fond of, and it's not the super-obvious one either. It's at the end of Act IV Scene iv, where Hamlet has just learned that Prince Fortinbras is going to war over a tiny useless patch of land just for the honor of the thing. Hamlet wonders at how Fortinbras can be going to war over a scrap of land that doesn't have any real value while he has the impetus of a murdered father and a mother married to his father's killer and yet hasn't done anything about it yet. It's the point where Hamlet really makes the decision to start acting on what he knows. May not be what you're looking for, but it's a monolgue/soliloquy that I know of.

dph> I caught about half of it. Something you wanted to say about it?

Aldrius> Well, what does Fox tell Elisa? "He wants your brother." Xanatos knew Elisa posed a threat. She's a smart cop who can't be bought and she knows a few too many of his secrets. But Xanatos isn't the type to do something violent. That's wasteful and he knows how to play the game far better than that. So he looks for her weaknesses and he finds her family. Specifically a brother who's starting to tire of the family business of the NYPD and maybe more than a little interested in getting out of his dad's and sister's shadows. Again, threats and violence are not the Xanatos way. His plan is to get Derek so wholly in his thrall that it would be nearly impossible for Elisa to go after Xanatos without alienating the brother she loves. And what better way to get Derek fully on his side than to put him in a position where he's isolated from just about everyone he's ever known or cared about and he believes that Xanatos is the only person who can help him (and that Xanatos had absolutely nothing to do with it, of course). I think Derek's desire to be seen as his own man was a big part of what ultimately led him to fall for Xanatos's schemes. Whether he listened to that tape or not, he would never want to believe that he was just being used as a pawn to get at Elisa.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Nice of Greg to update us. Red Tornado sounds cool. I've been put off the big two by the mega-crossover stuff as well, so I hope it's going to be something relatively stand-alone. And hopefully it leads to more cool stuff down the track.

Shame about the need for a fill-in on BG #3 but it's good news for schedule-watchers since hopefully it should nix further delays.

On Fang: It occurs to me that it probably isn't a redesign if the format continues of a present-day and flashback storyline. Presumably the events of #4 take place before the intro to #1. But I'd like to see Fang continue to mutate as Wolf seems to, becoming more and more monstrous.

KingCobra: Good luck with the monologue.

Spider-Man 3: It's appalling. Not just a mess, not just boring. Actually appalling.

Spectacular Spider-Man, on the other hand, I've got really, seriously high hopes for.

Ed Reynolds
"They've made a map of the universe. But if you're that lost..." -- Karl Pilkington

So the daily tattler has the ability to break the fourth wall!?!

Though I suppose they'd just have to have seen Fang before he mutated more.

Here's a thought, that maybe Greg's answered before, but you know, never hurts to ask you guys. Why did Xanatos go to so much trouble to make Derek one of the mutants?

Aldrius

Actually, given the fact that the Daily Tattler is probably a news source in the same sense that the New York Post is a news source, I think it's very appropriate that the picture bears little resemblance to the way Fang looks now. Actually, he reminds of the way Fang looked in "Metamorphosis."
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Perhaps it is because I feel comfortable manipulating humans that I desire to save them. My feelings and thoughts constantly migrate to binary opposites." -Durandal

Demonskrye> "my husband says I'm better off not seeing the third movie"

Well, it has a few flaws (mainly being crowded with one too many plotlines) but overall, it's not a bad film. My friends and I all enjoyed it. You should give it a chance, if only once.

What sort of criteria? Thanks for helping, either way.

Phoenician> My last sentence above goes to you too.

Monologue> Biggest problem I have is trying to not look like I'm enjoying it. I was not aware of that when I was practicing it, but Vid The Kid tells me that I smirk too much.

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

Phoenician - Yea, I was wondering about Greg's workload.

Oh yea, did anybody watch "The Batman" on Saturday?

dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

Can I just say that any other person would crumble to pieces with the workload that Greg Weisman has. And even if they didn't, the product would only be so-so. But Greg? No, not only does he refuse to crumble under weights that would have Atlas sweat, he continues to create universes and stories that are absolutely amazing -- best wishes, Greg.

And KC: I'm bad on advice, but break a leg nevertheless!

Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka

I'll check out Red Tornado because Greg's doing it, but I've been really disenchanted with most mainstream comics lately with all their mega-crossovers and character altering events and stories that move at a snail's pace.

I get the impression that we'll be seeing Gargoyles #8 before Bad Guys #2. If Disney continues to take a month from receiving the issue to approving it, we should expect #8 in March sometime.

I am so excited for "Spectacular Spider-Man". I love Spider-Man, but I haven't read the current comics in years and my husband says I'm better off not seeing the third movie. So I'm eager to get back to some really good Spidey stories.

KingCobra> I'm not sure I have any suggestions - some kind of criteria might help - but best of luck to you.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Off-topic> I have an audition this week. Wednesday, to be exact. My first audition in a while, and I have to read a monologue. I'm a little nervous (and also psyched) about it.

Any ideas/suggestions/advice?

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

While I'm not really a Red Tornado fan, I did enjoy the RT storyarc from Justice League Of America #1-7 (Tornado's Path). So I'll definately pick this up.
Antiyonder

Holy crap! Greg is taking on *another* project? He must hate sleep. I'm only passingly familiar with the comics industry, but I think the last time Red Tornado had a major storyline was when he was featured in the Brad Meltzer Justice League run, which headlined DC's publishing universe a year or two ago. RT is still in that series, so this new miniseries should be big deal and draw a lot of attention. Hopefully Greg's right and it'll rub off on Gargoyles. I don't see a new Red Tornado mini mentioned on any news sites, so I wonder if it's even announced yet.
Lumpmoose - [lumpmoose at googles dot email dot service]

I think the cover is funny. It's not the standard wanted page cover, and it's a tabloid cover. Those things are never accurate. In this case, it probably isn't an actual photo.

BTW, does anyone have an advertisement for the trade and for Bad Guys? I'd like to put them in my local comic store.

Asatira

mmm.. I like the new look.. so.. Fangy..

I had just a thought about Future Tense and Louse .. when Puck-Brooklyn mentioned that Coldstone,Talon and Maggie battled Sevarius to save the last free humans from being turned into mutates .. I wonder if this issue had something to that effect.. of course I'm probably wrong *shrugs*

Starlioness

I agree he looks much cooler here. Since he's with Sevarius, perhaps he's getting 'beefed up' some. I hope so.
Ed Reynolds
"E=Mc Squared... it sounds good, but I've never used it. Whereas the bloke who invented the video recorder? I watch one a week." -- Karl Pilkington

Sorry for the double but...

If they keep Fang looking as he originally did in the book, I hope he sees the Daily Tattler and says, "That looks nothing like me!" :D

Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.

Fang looks killer. If they keep that look, awesome! If they don't, then so be it. But I am loving the new look. The series, you didn't really fear him. Claw and Talon are scarier looking. In the show, Fang looked more like a stray tom cat than a villain to be feared. I for one love the new rendition.
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.

Cover for #4 > Well, wanted posters and the like aren't *always* accurate. Remember that "Goliath" statue in the first arc of the comics? Yeah, it looked *sorta* like him, but they made it much more demonic. I'm betting it's the same kind of thing here. That wanted poster was made by a police artist, with descriptions from people who'd never gotten a very good look at Fang.
Rebel

Keep in mind that the covers for the comics are NOT canon, Greg has said as much.

And also keep in mind that Fang in "Strangers" looked perfect. Don't worry about it so much.

I see the appeal in both a withheld cover and an early release of a cover, both are fine with me, whatever Greg (or whoever) wants to do.

Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Cover Art for BG#4:

Oooooh -- now THAT's an inside joke for you!

And while I WOULD love cover previews for #8 & #9, I do appreciate that we're not yet spoiled in the current story, as we were with #5. Not that the covers are ALWAYS going to be spoiler-y . . . . .

Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Well I was more thinking about cartoon franchises (non-pixar, non-movie, non-theme, non-everything else). Anyway, you guys are probably right. Gargoyles is over 10 years old and chances for a revival are slim.

A man can dream though. A man can dream...

Anonymous

Ed> I don't think e did and I did understand wanting to keep the surprise of issue 7's cover, though it ends up referring to more of a joke than a real story point. But there was no reason to hold back 6. And more than anything, it's getting the covers out of order and later covers in more finished stages than earlier ones that really weirds me out.

Algernon> I see your point, but I'm not too bothered by it. We know the behind-the-scenes reason for the mutates continuing to mutate was that Greg Guler wasn't happy with how the designs looked originally. So it could be that he's taking another stab at Fang, who I always felt suffered the most from a bit too much fluffyness. The only thing that slightly concerns me is that his fur color seems a bit too light. But if it really bugs you, you can just assume it's an artist's interpretation in-continuity. After all, how likely is it that there are perfect mug shots of Fang available for the Daily Tattler's use? Or maybe they're heavily photoshopped. certainly fits the MO of a tabloid.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Am I the only person bothered that the cover looks nothing like Fang?
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb

"Louse"? Is that not a typo for "Loose"?

Demonskrye: Did we have advance covers for #6 and #7? I don't remember seeing them, and they both had covers that were (mildly) spoilery.

Anonymous: As Demonskrye says, I don't think 'Gargoyles' is even on the same submarine as Disney's radar. My bet would be one of the Disney theme park rides or something of that nature. I read recently they're trying to do more with those.

Favourite episode: "Vows". It's got everything; time-travel, Demona, an amazing Xanatos twist, the Dark Ages, the Illuminati, Petros. The villains here are so multi-layered. Just perfect. I think "Nightwatch"/"The Journey" is well up there though and were it not for the frustration of TGC and the script being messed around with at the edges I'd probably have rated it higher sooner. Also "Deadly Force" and "Metamorphosis". Big chunks of "Her Brother's Keeper", "Eye of the Beholder", "Revelations", "The Cage", "Kingdom" and "Possession" are just perfect.

Least favourite: "Vendettas" or "Monsters". "Monsters" is just dull. "Vendettas" is two great ideas melded together. It's like if you put "The Mirror" and "Shadows of the Past" together, it would be terrible even though the individual episodes are great. And I kind of feel like that with the Vinnie and Hakon plots. It's not terrible -- there is a connective tissue -- but to partner the massacre of the gargoyles' entire family and a cream pie gun just feels off. Which is a shame because both stories are cool concepts. The "citizen's-eye" storyline worked much better in "Nightwatch".

The 'theme' episodes: "Deadly Force" works for me throughout. I don't even find the Sato moment problematic because he's the guy who's got to clean up the mess every time. Plenty of people campaign for more stringent road safety measures because people are killed and injured by cars. "Lighthouse"... I find Broadway's conversion a little swift. But I like the episode and I particularly like the follow-through in "High Noon" with Macbeth's "and I know how to read them" quip. "The Green" is the one I find kind of problematic, and I think it's because the episode talks about environmentalism and all that, but then the villains are Jackal and Hyena just going loopy. I didn't feel like the message was as thoroughly-explored or as well-earned.

Unpopular episodes I enjoy:
- "The Silver Falcon" -- I like the atmosphere and the tight character focus, and the Matt/Hacker stuff. I do like Dracon and his episodes, though I grant that the gangster episodes usually show up the limits of trying to do relatively adult stories in kids' animation.
- "Heritage" -- it was before the "my child, return to the land of your people" thing got worn out; great Trickster v Trickster stuff, lovely material for Angela and gorgeous animation. I also love the reunion hug.
- "The New Olympians" -- I just think the idea is so cool. All the characters were intriguing.

And some popular episodes I'm not as wild about:
- "The Edge" -- I love Xanatos throughout this, but the Steel Clan are just such boring villains and those sections always feel interminable. What's the best you're going to get out of a fight with the Steel Clan? Smash Crash bang bang Boom. I feel this way about the last part of "Awakening". I love a good fight scene, and 'Gargoyles' has had some amazing ones, but with the Steel Clan you might as well just show an advert for the action figures and say "YOU play this bit of the story!"
- "High Noon" -- Othello, Desdemona and Iago aren't developed enough as characters to be compelling, we don't learn much new about Elisa, Demona and Macbeth are possessed the whole time and ultimately it's all to set up "Avalon". It's fun but no more than that.
- "Sanctuary" -- After the grandeur of "City of Stone", it feels like a tacky sort of climax to Macbeth's storyline. He's had a millennium of suffering and loss but -- hang about! -- what happens if the woman he's known for a few weeks who sounds exactly like the sorceress he's magically connected to jilts him and tries to run off with his cash? He's already suicidal, he already hates Demona, I kind of feel... "so what?" Thailog's okay, but I think he makes a better antagonist for Xanatos than Goliath. And greed is such a boring motive.

Also, "The Mirror" and "Future Tense" I do absolutely love, and I understand why they usually get singled out, but I'm not sure either would make my top ten.

With "The Mirror" I love the comedy and the romance and the animation, but I think the humour undercuts the jeopardy a little bit. As long as Demona's trying to get what she wants out of Puck, she's not out pursuing more effective genocidal plans. In "Possession", the tricks keep you guessing a bit more, it's funnier, but the characters are all fighting to come out on top, and I think that makes it a more compelling story.

And "Future Tense" is really fun, really sharply written, stunningly animated, surprising and at times genuinely affecting. Of the many, many "It's A Wonderful Life" style TV episodes I've seen, it's far in the lead, particularly because there is a genuine purpose to the plot -- a trick by Puck. And the prophecy tag makes it stay alive in the memory. But I always think about 'evil future' plots that you can get 70 to (in poorer versions) 95 percent of the way there yourself. It's like a professional athlete turning up at school sports day and taking home all the gold medals: triumph after triumph, but it's never going to be as impressive as competing at the Olympics.

Ed Reynolds
"If I was living back then [in the 17th century], I'd be like -- stop messing about with that. We need a telly." -- Karl Pilkington

I'm a little confused as to why we have a mock-up for the cover to "Bad Guys #2", pencils for issue #3, and yet what looks to be a full color possibly final cover for #4. We also have no covers for issues 8 and 9 of the original series, but pencils for issue #10. I can understand wanting to hold back something like the cover to issue #5 which contains a major spoiler (or did when #4 hadn't been released yet), but when will we have final covers for the comics we're getting in the next two months?
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Looks like the cover for Bad Guys #4 has just been released. Now THAT is a cool cover. It's at the GargWiki, check it out!
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Anonymous> While it would be great if the yet unknown "license Q" game was "Gargoyles", the skeptic in me kind of doubts that would be the case. If "Gargoyles" was really the most popular non-Pixar Disney franchise in the 16-25 demographic, I think the property would be in much better shape. (I think "Pirates of the Caribbean" would handily beat out "Gargoyles" in that age range.) We also have no evidence that Disney is currently interested in doing much of anything with the "Gargoyles" property. The reason that the comic happened was because Greg had been pushing for it and when the Slave Labor deal was getting started, someone at Disney's comics division got Dan Vado in touch with Greg. Again, it would be great and I'd be insanely happy if that turned out to be the case. But until we get some kind of serious confirmation that we are getting a "Gargoyles" game. I'm going to err on the side of pessimism.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

I recently read this article on Next Generation (news site for game developers) http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8733&Itemid=2

It's about the famous game designer Warren Spector and how his newly founded studio got acquired by Disney. He's now working on a secret game, based on a Disney franchise. Quote: "The closest we get to a reveal is that it's a "licensed game", and that despite a vocal desire to tackle Disney properties X, Y and Z, instead he was given Q. "Which was cool," he adds. "It's a challenge."

The ever optimistic Gargoyles fan in me is now wondering, could "license Q" be Gargoyles?? It is a fact that Gargoyles is probably the most popular Disney (non-Pixar) franchise among the core gamer demographic (age 16-25). Also Gargoyles would be the most fitting with Spector's previous line of games like Deus Ex and the Thief series.

How awesome would it be to see such a game! Not only would it be a great game, because Spector is one of the most talented developers in the industry, but it would also save our beloved franchise from it's slow and painful demise.

I don't want to get mine or your hopes too high though...

Anonymous

10th
Justin

9th~!
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> Tired...

eighth!
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]

7th!!
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?

sixth!
Asatira

Fifth!! :D
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka

4th
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.

Third.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

Second!
Spen

FIRST!!!!!
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"