Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

K> In my initial reaction to you, I should have simply pointed out the unmarked spoiler (if, indeed, that's what it is and not just a bald-faced lie) to ward other people away, and left it at that, without the "screw you" comment. I apologize for that, not because I believe you deserve an apology with all your immature behavior since then, but because I should have held myself to higher standards than that.

I do not buy for a minute your "GregX made me do it" excuse. If someone really makes you that angry, and you KNOW he makes you that angry, then the mature reaction would be to either stop purposefully subjecting yourself to his writings and comments, or, more idealy, learn to LET IT GO.

Unless you can demonstrate a sharp increase in maturity, I won't be responding to any of your future posts, and I would encourage others to do the same.

...

On a lighter note, I watched "Image" earlier, and... WOW. Just WOW. I can definitely say while I may not be a huge fan of the main DC universe, at this point I'm most definitely a fan of this DC universe.
Ross
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:10:05 pm EDT from 184.9.201.106

I know I'm just lurking most of the time. But this is ridiculous. A lot of people are just not able to act like some thinking creature. If this was my board this "K" would have been banned long ago. I love Wingless' statement, but most people are just not like this, and if they are not blocked in some form, they'll continue with their idiocy.
(I don't want to say this comment room should be changed, that's not up to me. But isn't there some way to block such annoyances? Because they will hardly ever stop, and completely ignoring them all the time is also hard, I know that.)
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:51:37 pm EDT from 80.187.111.177

K> I'll admit. I myself considered suggesting tighter regulations being able to submit questions, but that's not the point.

The point is that asking others to follow the rules, and show courtesy doesn't equate to being self-righteous.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:36:20 pm EDT from 50.106.8.26

Actually(to no one in particular) we have a basic administration system here. The rest is done on the honor system. Hell, if you watch a show like Gargoyles-you should bloody well know something about honor and act on it when you're in a room that caters to people of all ages. Don't swear, Don't spam and don't spoil (or at least try not to-sometimes in can slip in one's excitement). We have our disagreements, but overall we make an effort to get along. That's the key thing-MAKE AN EFFORT.
Wingless
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:30:02 pm EDT from 99.246.8.105

Todd Jensen: The DVDs of YJ are available, and the first 8 or so episodes aired in Canada, but they've stopped with no signs of them picking it up again. They seem more interested in the new Green Lantern series at the moment.
Wingless
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:17:43 pm EDT from 99.246.8.105

K> and "apolgiSe" and "arse" and your frequent use of "mate".
Richard Jackson
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:02:10 pm EDT from 1.251.19.150

K, d you ever get tired of proving me right?
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"God only knows what I'd be without you..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:52:27 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

Oh, oh. It seems I gone and did a doodoo. When I addressed Brainiac I did not notice his signature, and thought it was GregX. You two use the same horrid red coloured text. Sorry for lashing out. He just brings out the worse in me.

Masterdramon> shut the FUCCK UP

Richard Jackson> You'd assume I'm British because I spell "coloUr"? Now who's being ignorant, you twit?
K
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:48:39 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

Richard Jackson - Can we avoid class-based insults? Even if not meant literally, it's a bit of a stoop.
B
B
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:13:01 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

K> Where exactly did I quote authors? I referenced Penny Arcade and Plato, that's true, but where exactly did I quote them directly?

As to appearing educated, I don't have to make myself appear that way. I'm a college graduate with a few academic honors and a degree in Molecular Genetics. I don't need to prove my education or my intellect to you or anyone else.

As to how long I spent doing research - about 10 seconds. I read Penny Arcade quite often and remembered the GIFT quickly. The Ring of Gyges is also known to me simply through my fascination with mythology (particularly Greco-Roman). I linked the Wikipedia article on the online disinhibition effect simply to show that it is a recognizable effect - and also one that can be resisted by thus with sufficient self-control.

I generally try to avoid being rude and needlessly cruel, but I really must say the attempt to insult me on intellectual terms and threatening a battle of wits really is more insulting to your own intelligence than to mine - you actually seem to think such threats would actually work.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:02:10 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

K> I'm not going to tell you how, but your style of spelling and words that you use make you very easy identify. You're not going to get away with impersonating an established member of the comment room, you ignorant chav.
Richard Jackson
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:01:37 pm EDT from 122.199.116.237

Please get tired. The rest of us are.
B
B
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:53:17 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

K, do you ever get tired of proving me right?
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"God only knows what I'd be without you..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:52:07 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

K, you could do that, but I honestly can't fathom why it would be worth it to you even if the other posters were actually pompous.
B
B
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:45:43 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

Well, aren't we crafty? I guess I have no other choice but to outsmart you then... Maybe I'll post something here pretending to be a regular poster and then wham, SPOILER. The security on this "forum" reaks. You know how easy it is to replicate someone else's signature postings with the colours and avatars?

Or maybe I'll ask a question with a SPOILER ALERT warning, luring you into a false sense of security and then woopsy rocket joins the group! You've just turned this into a game of wits, mate.

I wonder though how long it took you to do that little research. Do you get off by quoting authors so people think you're actually educated? Gosh, I loathe you.

And my apologies still stand because they were addressed to B, not anyone else.
K
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:35:19 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

K, you just threatened to use spoilers to deliberately ruin someone's day. That kinda calls your backpedaling and apologies for the previous batch into question, now doesn't it?

There are several long-time members of this room that have been avoiding it since yesterday due to what you posted and I don't think a single one of them wants to go through that again next week. A lot of them are really looking forward to next week's episode (one even considers it a part of his birthday celebration) and would be extremely upset if they had to avoid this space for the second week in a row.

You said Rebel was diplomatic. I want to be as well. Please don't drag whatever grievances you have with specific sections of those frequenting this space into something ugly and unnecessary. I'd imagine most everyone has had complaints about this environment from time to time. Even Rebel expressed displeasure over the influx of discussion about Formspring not too long ago. The key is to express those grievances in a constructive manner, not one deliberately designed to anger everyone in the space. If you want actual support from members here, blatantly trollish behavior is not the way to go about it.

The only reason I'm here is because I managed to isolate all of the spoiler comments and signatures you made and keep myself from seeing them. I did much the same with the recent leak of the first episode of Korra - I learned where it could be found but deliberately kept myself from looking. I would certainly appreciate not having to be so cautious a second time.

Oh, and by the way K, if you want to be a bit less likely to be considered something other than an attention-seeking troll who gets kicks out of causing others pain that, in the grand scheme of things, is the very definition of fleeting, stop using a proxy service like SneakME, okay? It just reinforces the idea of Penny Arcade's GIFT and the Platonian Ring of Gyges concept of anonymity breeding contemptuous behavior. You don't have to let the online disinhibition effect turn you into a nuisance simply because you feel the need to lash out at someone with no supposed real-life consequences.

And yes, it is a known psychological phenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:07:27 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

You don't really want to make this a place where other people don't feel safe to come, do you?
B
B
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:00:40 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

K, posting spoilers to get back at someone (or doing just about anything on the internet to get back at someone) is very petty. It's not going to make you feel better in the long run and the damage can spill over to who knows how many other people. Exercise your better judgement and inner civilized-ness and don't do it.
B
B
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:53:30 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

"Year after years"? More like when Greg Weisman has a new show, which is not that often... This is his third right? You should thank heaven for this forum that passes for a fansite getting all this attention. If floods and repeated questions aggravate you, then get a proper administration system to clean it up. Don't jump down our throats BEHIND OUR BACKS like little high school girls, GregX!
K
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:52:20 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

And I am proven right. Again.

You're a vindictive troll, not someone with any sort of legitimate gripe. You only make that clearer every single time you post here.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"God only knows what I'd be without you..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:48:59 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

K> Mainly this started because you were upset that Greg B was pretty strict about people flooding the queue, correct? That being the case, why.

I mean, yeah jumping on someone for the occasional mistake or disregard for the rules once in a while might come off as self-righteous, but the queue flooding happens year after year. Mainly because many people seem to feel that the rules don't apply to them, so I can't say I'm sorry when they get chewed out.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:39:06 pm EDT from 50.106.8.26

Scratch that. Rebel was actually diplomatic. Masterdramon was the a-hole. The next spoilers have your name on them, Masterdramon!
K
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:30:06 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

And I am proven right...
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"God only knows what I'd be without you..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:20:08 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

Rebel, you just fucked up, mate. My first spree was on Greg-My-Shit-Don't-StinK-X, but the next one is on you. The final episode will air next week, so brace yourself because I'll spoil the fuck out of that one too!!

B, I suggest you avoid this site next week. (I only asked about the mole thing, by the way. The rest is not on me.)

Cheers.
K
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:09:54 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

It was such a shock to see them in the queue, when I had just looked at it to see what kind of questions people would ask after seeing "Image". I think it might all be the same person, though.
B
B
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:00:37 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

Rebel: That's if you buy K's shifting of the blame to Greg B., which I for one do not. He's, if you'll pardon my French, a mother___er whose looking for an excuse now that he got called on his mother___ing.

Not that I could've avoided the spoilers myself, given that several idiots have also posted them in the queue...but I'd rather keep the number of spoiled fans as low as possible.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"God only knows what I'd be without you..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 4:34:47 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

I think this is both appropriate to the recent trouble and perhaps a good way to get some humor out of it.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6739482/official-spoiler-rules
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 4:12:49 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

As a general rule, I think if anybody has some kind of beef with any one particular visitor to this Comment Room but not the rest of us, I think it would be polite to carry out one's tirade elsewhere so that it only affects the person you dislike and not everyone else.
Rebel
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 1:44:06 pm EDT from 69.134.102.225

Can we delete this past week?
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I DID IT!!! I WATCHED ALL 485 BEST PICTURE NOMINEES IN ONE YEAR!!!
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 12:41:28 pm EDT from 173.181.84.163

K, I felt depressed because it killed my enthusiasm/excitement to know these things in advance and this is a show I love. However, I'm glad that you have a soul and I do accept your apology. Please don't do it again.
B
B
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:00:40 am EDT from 76.180.174.88

WINGLESS - I take it that the DVDs of the first twelve episodes haven't come out in Canada yet?
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:50:02 am EDT from 4.244.209.176

Youtube is getting bad. They're deleting Young Justice as fast as people can post it. That leaves we Canadians out until somoene gets around to airing them here.
Wingless
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 10:18:17 pm EDT from 99.246.8.105

I should have known better than to return or even look at a comment room that has effectively no ability to moderate.

Some people are just evil, delighting in the distress of others. And just like Good can be seen in even the tiniest act of kindness, Evil can be seen in even the tiniest act of active malice. It doesn't need the gross acts of sadism that you hear about in the tv news. It just needs a person of such petty evil as to delight in hurting random people by posting spoilers they don't want seen. Spreading just a tiny bit of misery all around. Making just a few more strangers distressed or sad for some minutes which they could have instead spent being glad and content.

I'm speaking as an atheist here, when I'm saying that the petty malice of K is the stuff that Hell is built on. On my part it's not the spoilers themselves that distresses. It's looking at the face of evil that makes me depressed.

And, gods, I so hate forums with no moderation.
Aris Katsaris
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:55:49 pm EDT from 85.72.72.156

As I've said before, I wonder whether the "spoiler-crazy" people have been worried about the long gaps between episodes, fearing that the final episodes of "Young Justice" may never air, that it might get cancelled before the remaining episodes have time to air.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 6:32:51 pm EDT from 4.244.209.238

*sigh*
I don't watch YJ, but trolls suck.
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 5:29:07 pm EDT from 80.187.111.33

Well, I have been lurking. Guess now I need to stop coming here altogether until either I've watched the rest of the "Young Justice" first season, or K gets banned, or he decides to do the universe a favor and stick a gun in his mouth.

Actually, I'm just kidding about that last one. He should stick the barrel of the gun back where his jaw meets his neck. That way, he'll hit the brain stem.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"You are superios to us in only respect... you are better at dying!" -Dalek Sec ("Doctor Who")
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 5:10:44 pm EDT from 97.102.10.159

The Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment Consumer Relations number is 1-800-723-4763 to call and ask if they are releasing the rest of Gargoyles series on DVD this year of 2012 of Season 2, Volume 2 and Season 3 and want these tentative plans to become definitive plans to show interest and demand.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:40:59 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

B, now I feel bad. Truly. I apologise. It's just that I hate GregX and his self-righteous arse so much that sometimes I lose perspective. I know he keeps close watch of the Answer Queue (if not just to rip on posters) because he has no life, but I didn't mean to ruin it for you specifically, or anybody else. Sorry.

There's still good stuff in those episode worth waiting for, so stiff upper lip.
K
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:32:11 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

Feeling depressed over cartoons? Maybe you should look at YOUR life... Jeez.
K
Oh, and Guardian is Red Arrow's uncle
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:11:01 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

K, you are actively making another human being feel depressed. Why are you doing this? Look at your life. Look at your choices.
B
B
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:51:08 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

I really hope we don't have to shut down this forum because someone is determined to be a prick and spoil us all for the last episode (of course, if we can't get rid of him, I'll just avoid the forum and the Unanswered Questions for the next several weeks, but not everyone is going to do that).
B
B
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:48:59 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

Better do it before the final episode airs...
K
Oh, and Cheshire saves Artemis' life
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:37:26 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

We really need some form of banning to be possible. Like IP Address blocking.
B
B
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:32:57 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

Oh is that ALL? Ok, sorry for the mishap.
K
Oh, and Cheshire kisses Red Arrow, aka, the mole
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:23:26 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

K> As I told you last week, if you don't like my reviews, write to James Harvey at Worlds Finest and ask him to replace me.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:19:06 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Well, at least now GregX can start writing his "reviews" beforehand. Maybe that'll be enough time to write something decent...
K
Oh, and The Parasite appears in Performance
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:11:05 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

CrazyDemona - You're right, better not to engage. This is clearly one of those people who can't wrap their head around the concept that those he interacts with online are real human beings. At least, one hopes he doesn't act like this in person.
B
B
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:07:55 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

K - I'm guessing being a prick like this gets you off. *sigh* It's really sad that this is what you have to do for attention. Wow.

Folks, he's just going to keep trolling, probably better to just avoid him until he gives up and goes to bug someone else.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [crzydemona@gmail.com]
Ã¢ï¿½ï¿½I have nightmares about hell, where all I do is add up numbers and try to have conversations with people like you.Ã¢ï¿½ï¿½ --Bob The Skull, Dresden Files Vignette
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:04:17 pm EDT from 72.220.144.195

I was full of anticipation for the revelation of the mole *on TV* *in real-time*, and now because of someone else's random act, I've lost my enthusiasm for the subject and the upcoming episodes. That's why they're called SPOILERS.
B
B
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 3:03:31 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

Just because they aired legally in Brazil and Turkey doesn't mean you should post that information uncensored on English-language sites. I don't want to see them until Cartoon Network airs them, and neither do the vast majority of this forum. In the words of George Takei, you are a douchebag. Die in ALL the fires.
B
B
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 2:59:24 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

[SPOILER] Yes, episodes have aired in Turkey and Brazil LEGALLY and leaked online with subs, fuckface. You didn't see them yet, too bad for you. Blame cartoon network. [/SPOILER] Red Arrow is the mole and turned the entire JL (new members and all) to Savage who is on the Watchtower now. Booya! [SPOILER] But don't get your knickers in a twist, RA didn't know he was being controled. [/SPOILER]

I hope I used the spoiler tags good and proper.
K (happy now?)
Oh, and Superboy has Luthor's DNA (Agendas)
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 2:43:42 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

Anonymous> No, I wouldn't have found it out somewhere else, you complete turd.

I'm not sure he's lying, because I did a Google search to try to confirm whether or not the episodes had been leaked or something, and someone on tumblr has a post mentioning that they've seen "Usual Suspects" in another language, though they had the decency not to spoil it.
B
B
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 2:24:43 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

Anonymous has to be trolling, guys. The CR tells you how to put up spoiler tags, and it takes all of two seconds.

Plus, he's also too much of a chicken shit to supply us with a name.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"You are superior to us in only one respect... you are better at dying!" -Dalek Sec ("Doctor Who")
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 1:14:35 pm EDT from 97.102.10.159

Gonna have to agree with Ross here: screw you, Anonymous.
Rebel
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 12:51:59 pm EDT from 69.134.102.225

Anonymous> I really, really hope it turns out you're lying. If not... well, screw you.

Just in case, I'd advise other Young Justice fans to not read the post beneath this one.
Ross
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 12:49:59 pm EDT from 184.9.201.106

Yo, "B". Write CartoonNetwork a complaint letter for withholding the episodes for three months. They sold the show to other countries so they are in their right to air them. So you know Red Arrow is the mole. So what? It's not like you wouldn't find that out somewhere else...
Anonymous
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 12:37:23 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

I motion that everybody follow HoE's example and post in green text for the rest of the day!
Algernon
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 12:19:52 pm EDT from 212.129.95.47

I just looked at Unanswered Questions, and people are asking questions based on having seen unaired episodes already by illicit means and including spoiler information in their questions! I was just spoiled by looking at something that should have been safe!

These people should be eaten by weasels!
B
B
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 12:01:44 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

*changes his avatar and text color for the day*

I've never understood peoples' obsession with spoilers. I assume their constitutions must be a lot heartier than mine, since the only time you should actually WANT mold on your food is if you're eating cheese.

I don't know, sometimes it feels like the fact that it's now possible to instantly communicate with the other side of the world, and travel the same distances in a day that once took months over land, means that the art of patience is disappearing from this planet. When I made my way through the series "Battlestar Galactica," I didn't look at a single spoiler. And I honestly think I enjoyed it more because of that.

Yeah, I know I have nothing to back up that "theory" of mine. Just thinking randomly.

Happy Saint Patrick's Day, everyone! Ninety minutes until it's noon. (At least where I am).
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Come with me to the winged isle, Northern father's Western child, where the dance of ages is playing still, through far marshes of acres wild!" -Ian Anderson
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 10:21:25 am EDT from 97.102.10.159

An excerpt from Greg Weisman's latest post (from last evening):

"And I KNOW how much you crazy kids love spoilers."

A lot of the questions he's received about "Young Justice" have made that only too clear.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 17, 2012 6:31:35 am EDT from 4.244.215.78

Wingless> If Google is right, it's "Batman Is Riled". I just looked up 'what sorcery is this quote'.
Supermorff
posted @ Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:13:29 pm EDT from 86.182.31.166

Supermorff: you mean you can find the Batman "Sorcery" reference on Google? Mindblowing! I didn't catch the episode name, but I know Teletoon Retro is only running first season episodes so it wouldn't be hard for me to figure out(if Google doesn't mention it already ^_~)
Wingless
posted @ Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:31:32 pm EDT from 99.246.8.105

Wingless> I wasn't aware of that, but having looked it up it seems as though that is the earliest use of the phrase in that form. (At least, as recognised by Google.) Can anyone find an earlier one?
Supermorff
posted @ Fri, Mar 16, 2012 6:49:17 am EDT from 62.25.109.195

I know this has been talked about here before, but I stumbled on another one. I was watching the original 1960's Batman series last night(for lack of anything better to watch) and almost fell out of my chair when I heard the Joker utter the oh-so-familiar words "What sorcery is this!". Gotta love it.
Wingless
posted @ Fri, Mar 16, 2012 6:22:02 am EDT from 99.246.8.105

MATT - I imagine that, not unlike what happened in Scotland under Constantine, the gargoyle slaughtering in England was largely politically motivated and/or the work and influence of one or a few really pissed off leaders... >

I'd like to see someone point this out to Demona the next time she goes on one of her anti-human speeches - though I doubt that she'd pay any attention to that. (Or at most, she'd argue that the rest of the humans didn't do enough to stop it, and therefore share the guilt.)

And I'd certainly like to know more about the British gargoyles' alliance with Arthur - especially the hint that the London clan might be preserving some mementos from that period. (We know that they do have a copy of Sir Thomas Malory's "Le Morte d'Arthur" - assuming that Arthur didn't buy it elsewhere and bring it to Knight's Spur with him.) One more reason why I'd like to see Greg Weisman bring out "Pendragon" someday....
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:17:01 pm EDT from 4.244.214.134

I imagine that, not unlike what happened in Scotland under Constantine, the gargoyle slaughtering in England was largely politically motivated and/or the work and influence of one or a few really pissed off leaders...

And this is somewhat relevant to our conversation: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=1397
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"... And if we did it before, we can do it again." "And we will. Together." - Goliath and Elisa, "The Edge"
posted @ Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:27:34 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

MATT - Good point about the London gargoyles' appearance. Of course, despite that feature, they still wound up almost wiped out (people believed that the English had slaughtered every last gargoyle in their lands by 1057, and the London clan only survived by going into hiding). Maybe, as you suggested, the stone sleep feature convinced superstitious humans that gargoyles must be demons - why else would sunlight have that effect on them? (Remember, Dark Age humans wouldn't know that this is natural gargoyle biology, and that it's powered by an internal biological clock rather than by the nature of sunlight.)

Of course, if the gargoyles were openly allied with King Arthur, maybe some of the gargoyle massacres in England (at least) were carried out by vengeful Saxons (assuming that the gargoyles took part in Arthur's battles against the Saxons - that passage Supermorff quotes about the Battle of Badon apparently lasting three days and *three nights* would give gargoyles opportunity to take part in the fighting).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:31:03 am EDT from 198.209.226.130

Presumably, the gargoyles that Arthur was likely to be allied with were the ancestors of the London Clan, or at least gargoyles of a similiar appearence. The fact that Arthur was crowned in Londontown and that The Three taught the London Clan the Exclaibur Poem indicates that it was the London Clan's ancestors in particular that were allied with Arthur closely in the past (as they are in the present).

My question is, given that the London Clan does not resemble the standard human idea of demons, but rather that of noble and revered heraldic beasts (even angelic in a sense) would the human world (and the Church in particular) be so quick to condemn Arthur for an alliance with them? I can easily see it going the other way for some people. A legendary hero and leader in alliance with angelic beings... Doesn't seem too problematic to me.

Still, the London Clan are gargoyles. They do turn to stone at night and that alone might be cause to distrust their motives, especially to medieval people (and, again, the Church in particular).

Thoughts?
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"... And if we did it before, we can do it again." "And we will. Together." - Goliath and Elisa, "The Edge"
posted @ Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:21:03 am EDT from 99.92.109.252

SUPERMORFF - Yep, that story is from the "Prose Lancelot", a long medieval French biographical romance about Sir Lancelot that was one of Malory's major sources (though he didn't include that part from "Le Morte d'Arthur"). In it, Guinevere has a scheming lookalike half-sister who claims that she's the real Guinevere and that Guinevere was an impostor, and dupes Arthur into believing her claim; Guinevere is almost put to death on the charge of fraud, but Lancelot rescues her and takes her away to his castle where they live together until the Pope (undeceived) steps in to demand that Arthur take the original Guinevere back; after the impostor Guinevere is struck down by illness (perhaps related to the Pope's intervention), she finally confesses her falsehood before she dies. Arthur sends for Guinevere and Lancelot to return to court, which they do only reluctantly. (It's generally thought that the author of the "Prose Lancelot" devised the story to justify Lancelot and Guinevere's affair.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:30:02 am EDT from 4.244.212.247

Re: King Arthur> I'm pretty sure King Arthur never worshipped pagan gods. Even in the very very earliest stories, he was a Christian. The Annales Cambriae even says that he "carried the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ on his shoulders for three days and three nights" at the Battle of Badon. Then again, there are all sorts of conflicting stories about his love life. I have vague recollections (Todd can probably elaborate) that in some stories Arthur was almost (or actually) excommunicated because he married a false Guinevere after being put under a love spell.

On a completely different subject, I was perusing the blog site Daily Writing Tips today, and they have a post about the differences between Ethics and Morals. The very last paragraph might be interesting to Gargoyles fans:
"And what's the difference between amoral and immoral? It's significant: Immoral (not moral) implies a conscious decision to act against societal norms, whereas amoral (without morals) suggests that the person in question operates without any regard to them at all."
As soon as I read it I had to share it with the room. Source: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/ethics-vs-morals/
Supermorff
posted @ Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:04:16 am EDT from 62.25.109.195

Todd & Greg B> Actually I've read that Britain in particular has always had an interesting blend of Celtic and Christian culture, mainly because it was so far away from Rome, and many "saints" or other religious men had their own degree of local autonomy, in addition to having to be more tolerant of local customs if they wanted to gain converts - at least for the early to mid Middle Ages.

Todd's theory about King Arthur is interesting, although I have to wonder how unpopular being crowned by King Pelles would have really been, given this large acceptance of older, Celtic culture that already existed. Correct me if I'm wrong if you know more about this than I do, but I had thought that saints wrote negatively about local rulers more if they lived "ungodly" lives, such as claiming to practice Christianity while still taking multiple wives, still worshiping pagan gods, and so on. I have to wonder whether just not being crowned by a bishop or archbishop would have been enough, given how the Church had already been tolerant of less offensive pagan customs.

In any event, from a literary standpoint, one of the major themes of Gargoyles is bigotry, so I would have to think the more likely explanation that Weisman has planned is Theory #1, that Arthur had some sort of alliance with the gargoyles. It would certainly be more consistent with the clues that have been revealed so far, which Todd has pointed out.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Thu, Mar 15, 2012 12:43:54 am EDT from 149.255.32.228

Brainiac: The sound you just heard is a thousand greek choirs kung-fu fighting in the land of Middle Earth, surrounded on all sides by bazooka-wielding, fire-breathing cartoon ponies.

Or to put it another way...yay.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"God only knows what I'd be without you..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Thu, Mar 15, 2012 12:27:47 am EDT from 68.32.165.95

The Legend of Korra (and that's all of the title now, at least in the States) will premiere April 14th at 11 AM EDT.

In other words, Young Justice at 10:30 (presumably), then Korra at 11. Score.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:38:06 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

While we're on the subject of long-lived British kings in the Gargoyles Universe and their religion (and it helps that my question which Richard Jackson mentioned involved King Arthur as well as Macbeth):

A few early stories about King Arthur, in a set of works called Saints' Lives (the protagonists of those stories, incidentally, were never officially saints in the sense of being recognized by Rome, but holy men in Ireland, Wales, and the West Country during the Dark Ages who were declared unofficial saints by the local Britons and Irish), portrayed him in an unfavorable light as a tyrant who often clashed with the saints in those stories and lost. (In one, for example, he tries stealing a fancy tunic that was a present for one of the saints from the Patriarch of Jerusalem, but is swallowed up by the earth up to his neck until he apologizes.) Some Arthurian scholars have suggested that the "real Arthur" (if there was one, which nobody has ever proved) had troubles with the Church, and this was why the Saints' Lives depicted him as they did (though there are other theories, such as that Arthur is being used here as a symbol for worldly heroics).

I'd thought about that theory as it related to the King Arthur of the Gargoyles Universe. Greg Weisman has indicated that Arthur knew about gargoyles during his original reign and was presumably allied to them; it does fit his response to them in the series, where he recognizes them as friends (look at his response to Griff when they first meet - "Oh, a gargoyle. For a moment I thought I was in danger"). And if there were enough churchmen who disapproved of gargoyles and believed them to be demons, that alliance could have led to some hostility from them towards King Arthur.

But the Stone of Destiny story in "Clan-Building" modified that theory by providing another possible reason for the Church to be on poor terms with Arthur. He's crowned by King Pelles, the guardian of the Holy Grail, not by a conventional bishop or archbishop. And the Holy Grail was never accepted as part of official Church doctrine (it was almost entirely a literary artifact, created for the legends about Arthur and his knights). So might the Church have had problems with the Arthur of the Gargoyles Universe for being crowned by a member of an offshoot of Christianity which it saw as heretical, rather than by one of its own leaders? It's certainly tempting - though obviously I can't ask Greg about that.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:56:07 pm EDT from 4.244.213.75

All very fascinating.

MASTERDRAMON> If you're reading, please delete my question. I have my answer and I don't want it clogging up the queue.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:17:21 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Anthony> If you've got a username, let us know and I'll give you editing rights.
Supermorff
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:20:11 pm EDT from 86.174.147.4

@Antiyonder I don't have access to add things on the GargWiki so if someone wants to add the TV Guide and Disney Adventure information to the wiki from the information I provided, please feel free.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:15:50 pm EDT from 159.240.11.245

Greg B et al.> I think the Wikipedia article is clear enough that the prevailing religion in Scotland at the time was Scottish Celtic Christianity. But have a look at the "Celtic Christianity" article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Christianity). Modern scholars tend to reject claims that there was a separate Celtic Church, and most differences were only played up after the Reformation. "Additionally, the Christians of Ireland and Britain were not "anti-Roman"; the authority of Rome and the papacy were venerated as strongly in Celtic areas as they were in any other region of Europe." Even the distinctions that did exist had mostly been resolved in Britain by the Synod of Whitby, some 400 years before Macbeth.

The two denominations in the 10th century were much closer to each other (and to Roman Catholicism today) than Roman Catholicism today is to other Christian denominations.

On the other hand, if we're talking semantically, then the term "Roman Catholic" as it is used today didn't appear until the 17th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_(term) ), but the general term Catholic (the term used by Greg W in his response to Todd) was used from the 2nd century to describe the whole Christian Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic).

Macbeth may have been raised Celtic Christian but, by his own definition and by ours, he was raised Catholic too.
Supermorff
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:06:31 am EDT from 62.25.109.195

Though clearly the memory of Macbeth's dealings with gargoyles was soon forgotten (how, I won't even speculate) since none of the conventional accounts of his reign (including Holinshed's, which was Shakespeare's source) allude to it - though they certainly knew about the Weird Sisters. (Holinshed's account even recognizes them as "the goddesses of destiny".) You'd think that Canmore would want to keep alive the notion that the king he overthrew was in league with a "pack of bat-winged demons".

(Though it was certainly remembered - if in a different way - that the only person who could kill Macbeth was not "of woman born".)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:34:25 am EDT from 4.244.212.31

Thought you'd all like to know there will be a live online Radio interview today(Wednesday March 14) with Ed Asner on "Stu's Show" hosted by Stu Shostak. It's a program that deals in Television history (and often Animation history). You can phone (Toll Free) or email and ask questions. The show airs at 7pm ET / 4pm PT.

The website with the details and how to listen is linked to my name. Hope to hear some Gargoyle Questions
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:21:00 am EDT from 99.246.8.105

All of the people in Scotland knew. Even without Canmore, word spreads. Unless the people of Scotland are all on the honor system, of course.

I'm sure it was well known. People talked, traders and merchants talk. Nobles in the English court talked, their ambassadors talked... this is not the sort of thing that can be kept a secret.... and once Macbeth, at his own coronation publicly names her his primary adviser... yeah, word was out.

Hell Macbeth was already being accused of sorcery outside of the kingdom. Word was out.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:01:49 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

Greg B.> I wonder, outside Scotland, how widely known it was that Macbeth had a gargoyle as his chief advisor? We know the English heard about it from Canmore.
Richard Jackson
posted @ Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:34:18 am EDT from 1.251.19.150

I have always wondered if when Macbeth went to the Vatican, if he took his primary adviser with him. Bwa ha ha
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:32:16 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Interesting, and Aris... haven't seen you around here in ages, how have you been?

Have you read the three graphic novels?
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:52:04 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Greg, if you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbeth,_King_of_Scotland you'll see the following:
"Marianus Scotus tells how the king made a pilgrimage to Rome in 1050, where, Marianus says, he gave money to the poor as if it were seed."

So, the historical Macbeth went to Rome itself for a religious pilgrimage -- that heavily implies he felt himself to be of that church.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@gmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:14:04 pm EDT from 85.72.220.21

Greg B.> Well, then your question is probably a good one. I mean, Greg W. answered Todd's question over 10 years ago, so it's unlikely you'll get a "ASKED AND ANSWERED". Since then, Weisman has actually visited Scotland and did research on it for "Clan Building" saga, so he might have a different answer now.
Richard Jackson
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:38:08 pm EDT from 1.251.19.150

Crap, that posted twice by accident.

Anyway, like I said, he was part of the Scottish 'Celtic' Church. The Catholics weren't really in Scotland until later... which probably also explains why neither the Archmage or the Magus were burnt at the stake.

Masterdramon, if you're reading, feel free to delete my question, I have an answer.

RICHARD JACKSON> Thank you for calling me on it... I think it led to a pretty fascinating discussion.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:33:11 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Found this.

"Christianity probably came to Scotland around the 2nd century, and was firmly established by the 6th and 7th centuries. However, until the 11th century, the relationship between the Church in Scotland and the Papacy is ambiguous. The Scottish 'Celtic' Church had marked liturgical and ecclesiastic differences from the rest of Western Christendom. Some of these were resolved at the end of the 7th century following the Synod of Whitby and St Columba's withdrawal to Iona, however, it was not until the ecclesiastical reforms of the 11th century that the Scottish Church became an integral part of the Roman communion."

Macbeth was a Christian, but he wasn't a Roman Catholic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scotland
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:27:56 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

RICHARD JACKSON> It was through the influence of his second wife, St. Margaret that Catholicism was brought to Scotland. She was canonized because of it. Margaret was the daughter of Edward the Confessor, a deeply religious man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Margaret_of_Scotland

The historical Macbeth's only connection to Catholicism was a visit to the Vatican while he was king. Whether that was because he was a Catholic or if it was a diplomatic visit, I don't know off the top of my head. But considering the Church was the supreme political body of the land in those days, it could easily have been a diplomatic visit.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:18:38 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Actually, the part about Malcolm III (know to us as Canmore) is intriguing. Did Malcolm's line simply give him credit for introducing Catholicism? It wouldn't be the first time Macbeth was shafted on credit.
Richard Jackson
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:03:58 pm EDT from 1.251.19.150

Obviously, Henry VIII had problems when he kicked the Catholic Church out of England, and the Church tried to have Elizabeth killed multiple times also.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:01:18 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Actually, the bit about him being a Catholic surprises me, because Catholicism did NOT have a a foothold in Scotland before Malcolm III's marriage to Margaret.

Or were there cases of the monarch falling a religion that was not the religion of the kingdom at the time?
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 7:58:49 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Heheheheheheh... whoops, my bad. LOL... sorry, I'm laughing at myself now. I deserve it. Ha ha ha

Masterdramon, please delete it.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 7:47:59 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Greg B's question about Macbeth's spirituality was asked by Todd here:
http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=1204
Richard Jackson
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 7:19:13 pm EDT from 1.251.19.150

Anthony Tini> Oh, well if I may suggest, you could make a page for it on GargWiki.
Antiyonder
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 5:45:48 pm EDT from 50.35.219.148

KIRK> <<What would the chances be of getting graphic novels?>>

This is not a question anyone in here can answer, I'm afraid.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 5:37:19 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

I've been re-reading some of Greg's old rambles, and had a question about this one: http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=787

Greg said, "After a year, [Dan Vado] hopes to go back to Disney with a different, perhaps more modest offer to do Gargoyles Graphic Novels." Did this ever happen? If so, I guess the outcome was not good because we haven't gotten new stories since the comics (and trade paperback) ended. If not, could it happen now? What would the chances be of getting graphic novels?
Kirk
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 5:33:38 pm EDT from 129.59.73.49

@Antiyonder What you're describing is what I have. I was just curious if there were more than just that one.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:19:56 am EDT from 159.240.11.245

Anthony Tini> Don't have it anymore, but I have some memory of a Goliath Chronicles comic in TV Guide which had the cast (Including Xanatos and Fox) throwing a Halloween Party with Lex and Goliath arriving late. Angela was dressed as Snow White.
Antiyonder
posted @ Tue, Mar 13, 2012 12:01:12 am EDT from 50.35.219.148

@Arlo Concerning Disney Adventures Gargoyles comics:

I can confirm Richard Jackson's list:

A Study in Stone November 1994
Stone Cold December 1994-January 1995 issues
Take the A Train & Cyber Hunt May 1995
All Hallows Eve November 1995
Lost in the Fun House May 1996
All in a Night's Work July 1996
The Experts August 1996

Richard couldn't find "Lines of Allegiance" That story is told in two parts:
Lines of Allegiance: Part 1: Friends and Enemies December 1996
Lines of Allegiance: Part 2: Crossing the Line January 1997

Also, while going through my old Disney Adventures, I found a Gargoyles comic I saved from an old TV Guide.
"Be Afraid of the Dark" TV Guide 10/16/1996

I wonder what other Gargoyle comics could have been printed in TV Guide...Anyone collect old TV Guides? LOL.

Fun fact:
The title of the "The Experts" in the table of contents of the August 1996 issue is actually "Gargoyles Meet Gargoyles". The premise of the story is a discussion of the portrayal of gargoyles in the Disney movie Hunchback of Notre Dame between Brooklyn, Lexington, Broadway and Elisa.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:54:03 pm EDT from 50.29.205.45

Sorry for the double post, but it just occurred to me that if Perdita was indeed named after the character in "The Winter's Tale" [SPOILER] that would fit in nicely with the heavy snow in "Coldhearted" [/SPOILER].
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:52:24 pm EDT from 4.244.211.0

ANTHONY - Sorry. That's the problem with being unable to check back to the comment room for spellings while typing these things out.

A few months ago, when I posted my review of "Downtime" here, I speculated on whether Prince Orm might scheme to seize the throne of Atlantis after learning that his older brother would have a son, meaning that he would no longer be next in line. While I don't know yet if he'll do that or not (though I did learn after posting that review that he is a villain in the comics - and the true identity of Ocean-Master, who we know is a member of the Light in "Young Justice"), we do know now that there's definitely one scheming royal uncle in the "Young Justice" universe (and one who, I've gathered, has ties to the Light even if he's not one of the "big seven").
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:46:39 pm EDT from 4.244.211.0

Todd> We do, actually.

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=711

It's within his list of good films.
Harlan Phoenix - [harlanphoenix@live.com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 1:15:40 pm EDT from 76.181.13.12

@Todd Nice! That's pretty cool. You really have Shakespeare on the mind because you called me Antony the second time. LOL.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:15:04 am EDT from 159.240.11.245

ANTONY TINI - Yes, I'd considered the "101 Dalmatians" reference as well, but I thought that the Shakespeare play seemed the most likely source, since we know that Greg's a Shakespeare fan, while we don't know what he thinks of "101 Dalmatians". (And the Perdita of "101 Dalmatians" was named after the Perdita of Shakespeare - at least, she was in the original book by Dodie Smith that the movie was based on.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:13:27 am EDT from 198.209.226.130

Anthony-Not just that. Steve Blum was Count Vertigo again. I noticed the VAs during the episode and thought that it was fantastic.
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:54:17 am EDT from 68.184.242.67

As a side note, according to TV.com, it looks like Ariel Winter (Alex Dunphy from "Modern Family") was not only the voice of Perdita in the animated Green Arrow short, but also in the recent YJ episode "Coldhearted". I really enjoy the consistency.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:38:40 am EDT from 159.240.11.245

10th.

Todd, are you talking about "DC Showcase: Green Arrow" (the animated short feature that is included on the DVD of "Superman/Batman: Apocalypse")?

If so, then I agree that, both stories concerning Perdita are some of Greg's best.

Instead of "The Winter's Tale", maybe Greg is just a huge "101 Dalmatians" fan as Perdita is the name of the adult female dog. Maybe if Perdita ends up befriending a guy name Pongo, we'll get our answer. ;)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:31:42 am EDT from 159.240.11.245

Ninth.

I read that Perdita was originally created by Greg Weisman for a "Green Arrow" story he wrote a couple of years ago. Since he came up with the character, I wonder whether he named her after the Perdita of "The Winter's Tale". That would fit his fondness for Shakespeare [SPOILER] and from what I've read about "Coldhearted", it would be appropriate, since both Perditas are mistakenly believed to be dead, but turn out to be alive [/SPOILER].
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:35:47 am EDT from 4.244.209.128

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