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And Branagh's done a movie adaptation of "Thor" (the Marvel version), though I'm afraid I never got around to seeing it (despite being a Norse mythology buff). That blend of the super-hero genre (though "Gargoyles" is less obviously an example of that) with myth and legend certainly evokes "Gargoyles".
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

I still say my choice in directors is Kenneth Branaugh. A Shakespearean director who knows how to make a successful blockbuster is my ideal for this property.
Greg Bishansky

Even the changes in Greg and Michael's adaptation wouldn't be necessary in a film adaptation made today. i.e. Macbeth wouldn't need to be the sorcerer king of Castle Wyvern.

Although, were it made today, if you still wanted to keep the thousand year sleep as an exact number, the flashbacks would take place in the year 1015 a.d. while Maol Chalvim was king. So we'd sidestep Constantine, probably Finella, too. But in terms of a big screen adaptation, Constantine and Finella are expendable.

Or you could set it in 994 ad and just use the phrase "over a thousand years" or you could say "a thousand years, well a thousand and eleven years if you want to be technical."

I still say that for a first movie, they could easily take the script for "Awakenings", maybe pad it out a bit to go from a hundred minutes to a two hour or two and a half hour affair.

But, who are we kidding, the only reason I care that a movie gets made is to revive interest in the property as a whole. A movie means more comics, another animated series... because you can count on Hollywood to want to exploit a property to its fullest. If the movie turns out to be good, that's a bonus.

Yes, I'm taking a Xanatosian approach to this.

Greg Bishansky

I've already talked smack and made fun of the Goliath model enough. Remembering the details we had about how the original film was going to play out I'm all around glad it didn't happen.

The changes sound very 90's film adaption. That wouldn't fly now, people take their source material very seriously.

Inland
Signature: H.R. Giger's Gargoyles

I was under the impression, somehow, that the never-made live-action movie was supposed to be about a specifically-invented gargoyle rather than the ones from the series, but maybe that was a different stage of the project before Disney abandoned it.

Greg did mention once having offered a story for the live-action movie which Disney rejected; in it, the gargoyles who'd awaken in modern-day New York would be limited to Goliath, Lexington, and "Othello" (though with the possibility of a glimpse of Hudson, Broadway, Brooklyn, and Bronx near the end, to be also awakened), and that "Othello" would apparently get killed (to set up the possibility for a sequel featuring Coldstone).

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

well here we have some sketches and a statue from what could have been the 98 Gargoyles movie:

http://i.imgur.com/WJAoS5J.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8FYDkVd.png

can't say I'm a fan of the statue, though...
I found them on: http://www.propstore.com/content/rickbaker/InteractiveCatalog/index.html page 110-111

Neill - [neillgargoyle(a)gmail dot com]
watch my Demona AMV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNGrg5Wm12E

sooo...
Makeup artist Rick Baker is retiring and Disney posted an article about his involvement with Disney. Now the interesting thing is that in 1998 he worked on a live action Gargoyles movie (was Greg involved in this back in the day? I dunno) and he is going to sell one model of Goliath that was specifically created for this project. So this may be the 1st time we get a glimpse of anything from what could have been the Gargoyles movie in 1998!?

here is the article: http://blogs.disney.com/insider/2015/05/29/cataloguing-monster-maker-rick-bakers-history-with-the-walt-disney-company/

Neill - [neillgargoyle(a)gmail dot com]
watch my Demona AMV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNGrg5Wm12E

A fourth one that is on hiatus as I recall.
Greg Bishansky

Bot34> One was the Star Wars Rebels Comic, another project (the mystery record) was the Rain of the Ghosts audio play. The third project was an unannounced tv series if I am not mistaken but it has been canceled like 2 months ago or something.

Was there a 4th project? I don't remember...

Neill - [neillgargoyle(a)gmail dot com]
watch my Demona AMV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNGrg5Wm12E

[But she will freely use any humans as pawns to advance a scheme. I am fond of the idea.]

Yes; I'd considered the possibility that Demona's plans at the time depended upon the English being pushed back out of France - or at least the end of the siege of Orleans (one of Joan's biggest feats was driving the English army back from its siege of that city) - in which case, manipulating Joan to help her is plausible.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

So, how is the situation with Greg W's unannounced prjoects. Rebels comic was one of them. What about others, have they been revealed yet?
Bot34

<<And I don't think she'd have cared about whether the English took over France or not (beyond maybe hoping that the English and French would slaughter each other and that the Black Death would return to dispose of any survivors), so why inspire Joan or anyone else to turn the tide of the Hundred Years' War?>>

But she will freely use any humans as pawns to advance a scheme. I am fond of the idea.

Greg Bishansky

This is a creativity demon I've had for one of the things Demona might have done in the period between 1057 and 1994 (besides stealing the Medici Tablet in 1495 and retrieving the Praying Gargoyle in 1980), though I don't think it's all that probable.

Greg once mentioned that Demona might have been in France during the Joan of Arc period, and Joan's depiction in Shakespeare (the little-known "Henry VI Part One", one of his early works), combined with that, gave me an idea. In Shakespeare's play, Joan, instead of being the familiar Heaven-sent maiden, is actually a witch in league with the powers of darkness (though she claims to be sent from God to dupe the French into accepting her help) - but the demons she made a pact with abandon her in her last battle, even when she frantically offers to cut body parts off herself and give those to them - before making even more desperate offers.

Which prompted the question: what if, in the Gargoyles Universe, Demona might have given secret aid to Joan of Arc - only to then abandon her the way she'd abandoned or betrayed other human allies, and let her be captured and burnt at the stake?

I doubt that "Gargoyles" would actually do such a story, of course, as too controversial (Joan's depiction in "Henry VI Part One" is one of the main reasons why the play isn't performed too often - that and it was one of Shakespeare's beginner works, not up to his later standards). And even from an in-universe perspective, there's one problem with it: why would Demona be helping Joan to begin with? After she betrayed Macbeth, I doubt she'd ever feel a soft spot for any human again, not enough to assist one. And I don't think she'd have cared about whether the English took over France or not (beyond maybe hoping that the English and French would slaughter each other and that the Black Death would return to dispose of any survivors), so why inspire Joan or anyone else to turn the tide of the Hundred Years' War? But I still thought I'd mention that creativity demon here.

(Incidentally, I wonder if it was the Black Death which gave Demona the idea of wiping out humanity by plague - we know that her first step towards her "Hunter's Moon" scheme was in 1495, which was after the Black Death had ravaged Europe, so it's possible.)

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Hope everyone stateside had a pleasant Memorial Day weekend.

Today also marks the AskGreg queue having a year's worth of questions (but with the Star Wars: Kanan comics, the Rain of the Ghosts kickstarter and no doubt finishing the AudioPlay, with at least another unannounced project in the works (and this isn't even considering all those interviews and conventions), GregW has definitely had a busy year).

Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Forget it, let's start over. First.
Inland
Signature: Tenth

Asgard, Vanaheim, Midgard, Alfheim, Svartalfheim, Nidavellir, Jotunheim, Niflheim, and Muspellheim.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Nu, Naunet, Amun, Amaunet, Kuk, Kauket, Huh, and Hauhet.
Ross

Goliath, Hudson, Brooklyn, Broadway, Lexington, Bronx, and Angela.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

Demeter, Hades, Hera, Hestia, Poseidon and Zeus.
Algernon
"It is the pinnacle of all human emotion. More passionate than hope, much deeper than despair. Love." ~Homura Akemi

FIFTH!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]

Phoenix, Dragon, Tiger, Turtle.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"It's not society that determines people's futures. It's people who determine society's future." - Inspector Akane Tsunemori

Larry, Curly and Moe!
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

Second!
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

(1)First!
Vinnie - [thomaspeano at yahoo dot com]
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