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Off the top of my head, Season 1 I'd like "Denial" "Image" and "Usual Suspects". "Darkest" and "Before the Dawn" from Season 2 would be a good choices as well.
Long story short though I'd want all the episodes to have commentary to them.

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Oops, that was from me. Forgot to check my settings before posting.

So, if we were to get any more commentary track episodes for YJ, what episodes would you like to see commentated? Personally, I'd like to see Homefront and Performance in s1, Fix and Complications in s2, and Quiet Conversations and Nevermore in s3.

Hi Mr. Weisman. I have a question for you:

I don't know if you are aware, but in the "Early Warning" episode of Whelmed: The Young Justice Files (back in Oct. 2019) the host quoted you on something you told him in conversation. This is something that used to happen now and then, but lately it happens in almost every episode: "Greg texted me this", "Brandon emailed me that", "Greg/Brandon told me whatever", etc.

So, looking at your 2-year-7-month-and-27-day backlog of 1172 questions, I'm wondering: why are you giving BTS information to this one person while the rest of your fanbase has to submit questions and wait months (at least) or YEARS (worst case and more likely scenario) for an answer???? It must be really cool to be so intimate and chummy with one's idol, and I bet the host feels super important and validated, but this is some double standard bullshit!

Are you aware of this? And if you are, how can you be okay with it? Don't you think this is unfair? You have thousands of fans who support your work whichever way they can, but 99.9% of them have never even met you in person, let alone exchanged emails or text messages with you.

If I make an entire podcast dedicated to kissing your asses, will I earn the same privileges? Will I be able to ask all my questions without a waiting queue? Will I get to hang out with you, have lunch together or exchange personal contacts?

(Originally I posted this on AskGreg, but then I decided I shouldn't have to wait 2 years for an answer, for all the reasons above.)


Greg Bishansky


Hi guys. I'm a fan of Gargoyles from Italy. I'v discovered that SLG published Gargolyes comics books that are basically a sequel of season 2. I really want to read them but, from what i'm seeing on the web, they seem to be very expansive (for example, the price of Clan Building Volume 2 is about 1000 euro). There is a cheaper way to read both volume of Clan Building? What is your advice? Thanks and sorry for my english.
Alessandro - [ale84_sa at libero dot it]

7th, I think.

MATTHEW> I can only imagine the shrieking hissy-fit from gators and Alt-Right Keyboard Warriors if Gargoyles was airing for the first time today.
We must be brave.

Funny you should post that Alex since Youtube just recommended a video from Clownfish TV about what Greg wants for a third season.
I didn't watch it because from what I've seen from past videos Clownfish is one of those creators who spends their time bemoaning "woke culture" for ruining everything. Which is pretty ironic considering a lot of the content from both the show and comics are "woke" in their own right, even if they do predate the term.

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I'd love a period piece-style season 3 (or 4) of Gargoyles, but I think the pitch with the best potential that would also make fans of the original happy is to set a series in the modern day (2020), but have it exist within the original Gargoyles universe. The original actual Gargoyles would still be relatively young (Goliath would only be like... 40 biologically).

Xanatos would be in his 60's and Elisa in her 50's, but I'm down for some middle aged Elisa kicking ass and Xanatos I actually think would be fun as an old man. Plus then we could have a hunky Alexander. And I a'int complaining about that.

It'd also allow a degree of separation from the Goliath Chronicles, where maybe people who were streaming the show on Disney+ wouldn't be as confused by the removal of Goliath Chronicles shenanigans (granted the Goliath Chronicles is SO filler-y; it's pretty easy to totally ignore anyway).

Or even a period piece, but one set in a slightly more modern setting (so not a 25 year time skip, but maybe like a... 5-10 year one) where things like Cell Phones and the internet exist, so it doesn't feel quite so dated, but also isn't totally removed from the original show.

Obviously I'd be down for literally anything Greg Weisman wanted to do with Gargoyles, though.

Outside of the obvious (i.e. a direct continuation of the show) what would you guys wanna see from a continuation, reboot or soft reboot?

Alex (Aldrius)
Never let fear stop you from doing good.


Here's to Disney doing the right this and letting Greg tell season 3 the way he wanted to.


MATTHEW - Thanks for your latest review. The Shakespeare speeches were the part of Season Two I most remember, and I enjoyed their variety: some serious (like Harry's), others funny (like Sally trying to turn "One may smile and smile and be a villain" into a cheerleading cry or Flash's attempt to do Polonius's speech).

Here's the original play for each quote, by the way (and thanks for listing them):

Glory's "By the pricking of my thumbs" - "Macbeth".

Harry's "Presume not" - "Henry IV Part Two", where the newly-crowned Henry V rejects Falstaff. (I thought it was especially appropriate to have Harry quoting the speech of another "Harry".)

Kenny's "Reputation!" - "Othello" (Cassio makes this speech after being sacked by Othello for drunkenness and brawling)

Sha Shan's "Why strew'st thou" - "Richard III".

Sally's "O villain!" - "Hamlet".

Mary Jane's "Doubt thou" - "Hamlet".

Liz's "O it is excellent" - "Measure for Measure".

Flash's "I will be brief" - "Hamlet".

Todd Jensen

Excuse the double post but I also wanted to share the lines read by the characters this episode and see how many of us can recognize their origin.

Glory: By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.

Harry: Presume not that I am the thing I was. For I have turned away my former self.

Kenny: Reputation! Reputation! Reputation! O I have lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial.

Sha Shan: Why strew'st thou sugar on that bottled spider? Whose deadly web ensnareth thee about? Fool! Fool! The day will come to curse this venomous bunchback'd toad!

Sally: O Villain! Villain! Smiling, cursed villain! That one might smile and smile and be a villain! Gooooooo villains! Woooo! Yeaaaah!

Mary Jane: Doubt thou the stars are fire, doubt that the sun doth move. Doubt truth to be a liar. But never doubt I love.

Liz: O it is excellent to have a giant's strength, but it is tyrannous to use it like a giant.

Flash: I will be brief. Your noble son is mad. Mad "call I it", for to define true madness, what is't to be nothing else but mad?...This is supposed to be English?

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Watched "Growing Pains" today and there's one thing I remembered while watching this and that's how alone Spider-Man is when it comes to crime fighting. He has more than his fair share of crossovers and team ups. But even with characters that originated in the pages of Spider-Man like Cloak and Dagger went off to do their own thing generally leaving Spidey alone against his ever-expanding rogues' gallery. That's what makes the tragedy of this episode so poignant, Jameson losing his son and Peter losing a valuable ally.

This is the episode where Greg's love of Shakespeare really shines through, as various characters recite lines from various plays for auditions. For those who don't remember or haven't seen the episode, it's framed in such a way that the line recitals mirror what's going to happen in the episode. Such as Glory giving the "something wicked" bit from Macbeth right before Venom makes his reappearance. It's really well done and I wish I knew more about Shakespearean lore as I could go into more detail but these things run long enough as is. Still, I like how the recitals give little details into the characters, Harry's line about "turning away from his former self" references his turn away from using Globulin Green, Kenny despite being a doofish oaf is surprisingly eloquent and Mary Jane's line from Hamlet shows that despite her more laidback, flirtatiousness has a deeply romantic side to her.

Speaking of romance, Harry and Gwen go official this episode and while it's pretty obvious that she only says yes due to seeing Peter and Liz as a couple and Harry's not exactly the most attentive. Still I like the little touch of Gwen being happy for Harry when he finds out Norman's actually (or maybe not actually) proud of him. She probably knows exactly what kind of home life he has so offering that bit of support probably means a lot. It's funny how Flash's own relationship to Sha Shan mirrors what happened with Liz. The fact that the two of them both needed to be taken down a peg by their romantic interest and that's what sets them down the path to becoming better people is an interesting parallel.

While Colonel Jupiter may be the one Spidey fights at the end, Venom remains the primary threat of the episode. Makes sense that he would make a PR war for Spider-Man, it's been said that hate spreads like a plague, makes sense that they want the whole world to feel the same about Spider-Man that they do. And he goes at it pretty cleverly as well, making it appear as if he's Spider-Man back in his black suit, never sticking around long enough for people to get a good look and even setting Colonel Jupiter after him. I wonder if the Symbiote told him about the spores and what they did to John. I also like at the end of the episode they just decided to jump right to the point and outed Peter to his boss knowing that Jameson wouldn't turn down the story especially to get back at Spider-Man for what he thinks he did to his son.

John Jameson makes for an interesting opponent this episode, most other media (including the comics) tend to focus more on his time as Man-Wolf without really focusing on his short time as Colonel Jupiter so this was a nice change. He shares more than a few similarities with Spider-Man too: both got powers by accident, both share a cavalier sense of humor and a strong connection with their family. I personally like that he has kind of an off-kilter way of saving people like did with that mother and her son. Unfortunately being out of state (and out of planet) meant that he wasn't aware of the fact that Spider-Man doesn't really stay and chat with authorities especially after being framed and with Venom's antagonism and the spores affecting his mind conflict was inevitable. The battle at the Hayden Planetarium was inspired by the way, I like that the central conflict wasn't Spider-Man trying to beat him, which he could've pretty easily considering how many times he's taken down guys bigger and stronger than he is, but to find a way to stop and cure him before his heart rate reached cardiac arrest levels.

Some Final Thoughts: I liked that little moment when John goes to change but hesitates at the doorknob, and Gwen opening the door for him. Really shows the quiet despondency he has through the episode and that little touch of kindness from Gwen. Dr. Connors' warning about the spores affecting John's personality becomes especially creepy if you know anything about entomopathogenic fungi (or if you've ever played The Last of Us). As a guy who used to act I have to ask, why the heck is a Broadway star just having students do single line reads as auditions?! I remember having to have prepared monologues for every conceivable genre (and it better be from a play the director's familiar with) and MJ's just doing a line from Hamlet, not the play, the character. Does the Planetarium have a working Van de Graaff generator there? Or was it moved from Oscorp after it accidentally created Doc Ock? I like that Captain Stacy continues to show off his detective skills, noticing the change in fighting styles and different body shapes. Because even if the Symbiote isn't buffing up to an abnormal size there's no hiding Eddie's larger frame. And considering the last time this sort of thing happened Jameson had to print a retraction it makes sense that he'd listen this time. At Ravencroft you can practically see the wheels turning in Dr. Warren's head as he plans to take ESU from the Connors. As much as I like the use of Shakespeare some alternative classics would've been good too. Like after Jameson attacks Spider-Man there comes this line from Cyrano de Bergerac,
“I-I am going to be a storm-a flame-
I need to fight whole armies alone;
I have ten hearts; I have a hundred arms;
I feel too strong to war with mortals-

Favorite Lines:
Okay, Jameson has so many good bits this episode that I really can't choose. The dialogue between him, John and Peter while riding in a cab is truly hilarious and you should check it out.

Spider-Man: Ugh I can't believe someone is posing as me, framing me! Again! Please be Chameleon, please be Chameleon.

John: C'mon Jameson, you're seriously not thinking about leaping tall buildings in a single bound?

Spider-Man: So I'm a little confused, do you want to frame me or squash me?
Venom: You make it sound so complicated. All we want is to destroy every aspect of your life! Is that so wrong?

Spider-Man: Is there anyone in here?
Voice: Get lost!
Spider-Man: I'm afraid I can't do that Mr...Parrot.
Mr. Parrot: Get lost! RAWK! Get lost! RAWK! Get lost!

Flash: Sha Shan Nguyen. She's, like, totally immune to The Flash!
Peter: 'Cause she's got a brain?
Flash: Exactly!

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Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]