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Comments for the week ending June 7, 2020

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JURGAN> Oooh, that sounds neat.
We must be brave.

If anyone’s interested in horror or black history, I wanted to recommend the documentary Horror Noire, which is about the history history of black people in horror movies in the US. We watched it today and it’s really good, and it’s relevant to this group since Keith David was one of the people they interviewed (since he was in The Thing). He and Ken Foree (Dawn of the Dead) talked about their experiences growing up with horror and working in the industry, as well as many other horror filmmakers like Jordan Peele. And it’s worth the whole thing just for the outtake of Keith and Ken singing Monster Mash. Anyway, I’ll link it in my name, and I think it’s streaming free for a limited time.

Well, I know I'm one of the folks who love Spidey & O'Hirn together, and yep, you quoted pretty much every hilarious interaction they have. XD

Looking back, while my college roommate and I were already in love with the series early into the first season, it was the 'Criminology 101' group of episodes that brought to our attention that this was by far the best adaptation of Spider-Man that either of us had ever enjoyed. The last series arc of 'Drama 101' would only cement that sentiment. :)

"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Huh, I could've sworn that there was someone here that really liked that episode for the team up.

Algae>That is true, though considering Sable is the leader of a mercenary group there's no reason she couldn't have been hired. Though, the family villain dynamic is an interesting one and not one that the show had properly explored yet.

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MATTHEW - Actually, I'd either forgotten that one or never saw the episode, so I wasn't even expecting it. It certainly sounds like a lot of fun to watch, though.
Todd Jensen

MATTHEW> "If you read anything from Greg's comments then you know that he decided to make Silvermane and Silver Sable father and daughter because they both have the word 'silver' in their names, and even though I'm not the biggest fan of Silver Sable (I'm not the biggest fan of the 90's antihero type of character) I still find the decision a little baffling."

I can see the logic in the context of SpecSpidey. Doc Ock and Tombstone already have colorful classic Spidey Villains bad guys are their lieutenants. It'd seem kinda lopsided if Silvermane only had nameless goons backing him up for the big Gang War.

We must be brave.

Thanks Todd, I knew you were looking forward to the Spider-Man/Rhino team up.
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Thank you for the latest review, Matthew.
Todd Jensen

Watched "Accomplices" today which kick starts the Gang War arc and brings not only brings a lot of new faces but marks the first time that every villainous faction of the season making an appearance in a single episode. In retrospect, it's pretty telling that Osborn is ultimately the one to start off the gang war by auctioning off the Rhino formula. We also get a quick appearance from Black Cat this episode, seems odd that the gangsters would be so forgiving of Cat trying to swipe it but I imagine she's done business with several of them before so making an example out of her would ultimately lose them a valuable thief for hire. The fact that she refers to Lincoln as Tombstone rather than "The Big Man" implies she's done enough work to be familiar with him over the average crook, makes me wonder if he hired her to swipe the Symbiote back in season 1.

The auction provides an interesting look into the natures of the factions involved, Sable and Hammerhead are constantly trying to one-up each other, Patch (aka Foswell) blurts out the entire account amount in an effort to stay close to all the players and their actions, Roderick Kingsley just forgoes all formality and overbids in order to wrap things up and Octavius says nothing but scopes out the others. Makes sense, presumably he's the one who developed the formula and therefore doesn't need to bid. Instead he watches to see all involved before sicing the original Rhino on them to ensure that his group remains the only one with the biggest muscle in the underworld. One little detail I liked was that they each had a set amount in their bidding account, makes sure everyone's good for their bid.

So this was the episode that really cemented that Foswell was going to be the Ben Urich stand in for the show, one thing that I admire about the show was that it really tried to flesh out the staff of the Daily Bugle instead of just making Jameson the sole part of it. Foswell provides a good source of exposition for the underworld's backstory, such as the fact that Tombstone's been running the city for at least twelve years after Silvermane was put away but now he's coming back and his daughter is looking to put a stake into his criminal empire.

If you read anything from Greg's comments then you know that he decided to make Silvermane and Silver Sable father and daughter because they both have the word 'silver' in their names, and even though I'm not the biggest fan of Silver Sable (I'm not the biggest fan of the 90's antihero type of character) I still find the decision a little baffling. Still she lives up to her comic book image here, bringing enough firepower to rival a battalion.

The fight between Spidey, Sable and Hammerhead brings to mind his skirmish against Fancy Dan back in episode 1 and against a pre-mutated Kraven, and that's the trouble he has against ordinary people who are legitimately skilled fighters. While I have no doubt he could've handled the two of them separately if he wasn't distracted by trying to grab the jump drive the fact is that he's relied a lot on his powers to win the physical side of his fights. We'll see how that plays out in the next couple of episodes. Hammerhead shows off his trademarked arrogance this episode as well, despite his legitimate skill the only proper victories he has against Spidey was taking him by surprise and his car scored more hits on Sable than he did. Again, we'll see more of this in the next couple of episodes.

The true highlight of the episode is the team up between Spidey and Rhino. They totally nailed the quippy, sarcastic guy and big, tough, dumb guy dynamic; heck at one point they even pull off a Fastball Special, X-Men style. I actually would love to see more of these two working together. But alas, I do love how Rhino manages to actually outsmart Spider-Man and the only reason he survived the parking garage coming down was because he was so close to the indestructible Rhino.

Then there's Kingsley, as Peter pointed out how does he fit in? What kind of fashion (or perfume in this case) mogul drops 500 mil for the Rhino formula? I can't help but think that the events of this episode would've led to him seeking revenge against Osborn, discovering his Goblin persona and that would've led to arrival of Hobgoblin next season. Fun fact, I completely forgot that he had a twin brother in the comics which explains why "Roderick" is so anxious at the warehouse deal, why Roderick still has his coat despite abandoning it during the fight and why he's much more collected even while confronted by Rhino, Sable and Hammerhead. Got to give Courtney B. Vance credit as his voice is slightly different between scenes.

Some Final Thoughts: When the episode first premiered the "Osberry" was pretty futuristic, a phone with internet, GPS and a holographic display. Nowadays, well, we don't have holographic displays...yet. We get another appearance of Greg's suped-up staple gun as it's wielded by Sable this episode. Something I hadn't thought about, Foswell planted a bug on Menken so he knows that he officiated the bid between gangsters, did he not think about how Oscorp might be connected? Spidey knows that Norman had dealings with Tombstone but he didn't know to what extent, so I wonder why Foswell didn't try investigating Oscorp. We see more hints of Captain Stacy knowing Pete's secret identity especially when he tells Peter that sarcastic remarks don't save lives. And finally we see the cracks starting to show in Liz and Peter's relationship as Liz says there's been times when Peter hasn't even shown up for their dates and the fact that he showed up late is considered a win for her. Not to mention he then refers to her as Gwen in his head; MJ's right, guy is distractible.

Favorite Lines:
Peter (thinking): Wait, I know that guy, or Spider-Man does.
Foswell: Hey Pete, thanks for meeting me.
Peter: Does everyone have a secret identity?

Spider-Man: And all this time I thought they called you Hammerhead because you had a thing for sharks.

Spider-Man: Ooh I got the thing on the...thing! What, what do I win?
Rhino: YOU!
Spider-Man: I win me? That makes no sense.

Spider-Man: So, needle-nose. Just to be clear, you wanna destroy the specs too?
Rhino: Yeah! I don't need no competition!
Spider-Man: I know I'll regret this, but...you wanna partner up to destroy it?
Rhino: BAHAHAHAHAHA hahaha...oh...okay.

Rino: I want that drive! Get the point?! (points to his horn)
Spider-Man: Look, if we're going to work together you've got to get better material.

Spider-Man What, no high-fives, no kumbayas?! I am shocked, shocked, I tell you!

Spider-Man: Missed again!
Rhino: Not aimin' at you!
Spider-Man: Aw man. Tell me I did not just fall for a gag I once used on Shocker!

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(8,9,10)I Eight Nine and Ten!!!!!!!!
Vinnie - [thomaspeano at yahoo dot com]
Deplorable and loving it!

Todd Jensen

We must be brave.

Generally speaking, we don't count spam in the count.
So that would make me 5th.

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I'm kinda 4th... but also kinda 5th. You decide.

"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Hi Mr. Weisman. I have a question for you:

I don't know if you are aware, but in the "Early Warning" episode of Whelmed: The Young Justice Files (back in Oct. 2019) the host quoted you on something you told him in conversation. This is something that used to happen now and then, but lately it happens in almost every episode: "Greg texted me this", "Brandon emailed me that", "Greg/Brandon told me whatever", etc.

So, looking at your 2-year-8-month-and-6-day backlog of 1172 questions, I'm wondering: why are you giving BTS information to this one person while the rest of your fanbase has to submit questions and wait months (at least) or YEARS (worst case and more likely scenario) for an answer???? It must be really cool to be so intimate and chummy with one's idol, and I bet the host feels super important and validated, but this is some double standard bullshit!

Are you aware of this? And if you are, how can you be okay with it? Don't you think this is unfair? You have thousands of fans who support your work whichever way they can, but 99.9% of them have never even met you in person, let alone exchanged emails or text messages with you.

If I make an entire podcast dedicated to kissing your asses, will I earn the same privileges? Will I be able to ask all my questions without a waiting queue? Will I get to hang out with you, have lunch together or exchange personal contacts?

(Originally I posted this on AskGreg, but then I decided I shouldn't have to wait 2 years for an answer, for all the reasons above.)


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