In Metropolis it's always On the Town and in Gotham it's always The Warriors.
Friendly CIA Spook
My mom says I'm a very special agent.
posted @ Sun, Mar 6, 2022 6:10:07 pm EST from 12.198.245.34

"Batman’s Gotham City is Manhattan below Fourteenth street at eleven minutes past midnight on the coldest night in November." - Dennis O'Neil
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"My mission is to make everyone happy by singing." - Vivy
posted @ Sun, Mar 6, 2022 2:00:17 pm EST from 98.150.138.224

Metropolis usually gets portrayed as being on the East Coast, usually in Delaware and nearish Gotham and New York (the latter is referred to in-universe as Cinderella City, to contrast its "ugly stepsisters"). It has numerous features clearly inspired by things in New York (i.e., "Stryker's Island," "Bakerline," "Wireless City Movie Theater," etc.). Just goes to show that people will tolerate this kind of thing from comics with no particular objection, but they balk at it in a "realistic" movie.

Granted, this does make it kind of odd that Clark's parents in Kansas can sometimes visit himI don't care how loving your relationship is, you're not driving from Kansas to Delaware just for Father's Day.

Of course, Siegel and Schuster cited a number of inspirations for the city, including Toronto and **Cleveland** of all places. So who knows. I don't think we got any specific confirmation of where Metropolis is in the YJ universe.
Friendly CIA Spook
My mom says I'm a very special agent.
posted @ Sun, Mar 6, 2022 7:18:46 am EST from 205.144.211.156

Metropolis is usually being depicted as close to the coast, which would make it something of an oddity if it was in the same state as Kansas.

Some have the comparison that Metropolis is San Francisco and Gotham is Oakland but I really don't see it (and not just because I'm a Bay Area native). Personally I prefer the idea that the two of them are in separate states.
Matthew
When you return to your unobservable but empirically determined dimension of origin--tell them CARL SAGAN sent you.
posted @ Sun, Mar 6, 2022 1:40:46 am EST from 64.85.245.77

"I guess Gotham is sort of Jersey City to Metropolis' New York?"

I doubt that, given one of the common complaints about the "Batman v. Superman" movie was that Metropolis and Gotham shouldn't be close to each other.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com']
posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 11:02:57 pm EST from 98.48.124.192

What about Metropolis? I've long thought it was a stand-in for Chicago. It seemed like Metropolis was in the same general area as the Kents' Midwestern farm, and southern Illinois is full of farmland.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com']
posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 11:01:40 pm EST from 98.48.124.192

Oh, it usually is in New York, but in Schooled we see a map and it's right where Bridgeport, CT is. I assume because that's a major city (one that's had problems with a high crime rate, even) in about the right spot for the route to work out visually.
Karrin Blue
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posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 10:51:35 pm EST from 68.9.91.142

Maybe instead of Barnum it was Carlo Geroldy

I guess Gotham is sort of Jersey City to Metropolis' New York? Or Gotham is New York and Metropolis is some sort of hypothetical MegaYork? They'd have to be in the same metropolitan periphery if they were both that size and that close in proximity.
Friendly CIA Spook
My mom says I'm a very special agent.
posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 10:11:26 pm EST from 205.144.211.156

I was always under the impression that Gotham City was a fictionalized New York (it helps that "Gotham" is an actual nickname for New York); I recall that "Batman: TAS" even gave it a statue in the harbor similar to the Statue of Liberty and an arena called "Gotham Square Garden". Though I suspect that they couldn't actually put it in Manhattan's location.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 9:51:33 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

It is kinda weird having some established geography for places like Gotham which has been all over the place on the Eastern Seaboard. As for whether it's comparable to Bridgeport, might be something to ask Greg.
Matthew
When you return to your unobservable but empirically determined dimension of origin--tell them CARL SAGAN sent you.
posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 9:43:38 pm EST from 64.85.245.77

Private Security? That was between Dick and Will, but yeah, that was pretty great.

Also, I remembered again how in YJ, Gotham is right about where Bridgeport is, and I wonder how much of Bridgeport history Gotham absorbed. Was PT Barnum ever one of their mayors, and also the first president of Gotham Hospital? Was the Frisbee invented there? I doubt whoever made the map back in s1 was thinking about that kind of thing, but it'd be pretty funny.
Karrin Blue
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posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 8:38:37 pm EST from 68.9.91.142

That imagined conversation reminds me of that episode in Season Three (I haven't seen it, but I read about it) where they were having a big family discussion while stopping the villain of that episode from hijacking a shipment, with the villain put out about the fact that they're almost ignoring him for that discussion.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 7:56:11 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

God, can you imagine how awkward the first Arrow family dinner was after Roy was unfrozen?




Ollie: Soooo...you adjusting to your new arm?
Roy: Yes. I am. Thank you.
Jim: Does anyone want sweet potatoes?
Ollie: You made sure to sweep for bugs, hidden cameras, or other sabotage devices?
Roy: Yes. Because unlike some people, I know how to do a proper search!
Jim: I, uh, also made baked potatoes.
Ollie: How many times do I have to say I'm sorry?
Roy: How about once for every day I was kept frozen?!
Will: Maybe I should leave...
Roy: No, stay! It would be nice to have a dependable adult at dinner.
Jim: Hey, I'm plenty of dependable. I made two kinds of potatoes.
Ollie: You're right. I wasn't dependable enough for Artemis. And I should've been more hands-on with you.
Roy: Grrr...
Ollie: I'm sorry! I'm sorry!
Will: You know what? I would love some sweet potatoes.
Matthew
When you return to your unobservable but empirically determined dimension of origin--tell them CARL SAGAN sent you.
posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 5:58:54 pm EST from 64.85.245.77

I kinda figured that, since she had agreed to the last deep cover mission, she's one of the ones who gets why it seemed like a good idea - even knowing how it can go wrong and hurt people, she also knows how easy it is to think that this will work out and help and how it can have very good results. And honestly I've been figuring she had a pretty good idea something was up, and although she wouldn't go out of her way to keep the secret she also wouldn't rock the boat over it, since she trusted the others to have a good reason and share relevant information. She and Dick have always seemed like they're on the same wavelength, good at understanding what goes on in the other's head, at least to me.

Also, I know Greg probably said yes on a why-not whim, but I'd love to see an Arrow family dinner. Inter-family relations can be really fun for superhero stuff, and domestic setups like family dinners are pretty great to combine with the big personalities costumed heroes get.
Karrin Blue
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posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 10:57:11 am EST from 68.9.91.142

Been looking through Greg's responses, interesting to learn that Artemis didn't learn of the Anti-Light before Jeff pieced things together. Makes me wish we got to see her initial response to this revelation considering how damaging the last heroes' scheme was to her life and relationship.
Matthew
When you return to your unobservable but empirically determined dimension of origin--tell them CARL SAGAN sent you.
posted @ Sat, Mar 5, 2022 1:36:01 am EST from 64.85.245.77

Saw the latest issue of "Doctor Who Magazine" at the local Barnes and Noble today, and it had an ad on the back cover for a new "Doctor Who" audio drama (about Martha Jones, one of the companions during the Tennant era), with Marina Sirtis listed as one of the actors.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Mar 4, 2022 7:19:10 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

I'll admit that "sprawling" is a good term for "The Lord of the Rings", particularly given the protagonist issue. "The Hobbit" focused firmly on Bilbo, but "The Lord of the Rings" is more "multiple leads". It starts off centered on Frodo, but gradually shifts the main character role (or at least, the point-of-view role) to Sam. And to top it off, it also gives increasingly more focus to Aragorn and the Men of Rohan and Gondor (in part, I suspect, because what Tolkien really wanted to be doing was to return to "The Silmarillion" and complete it, while his publishers wanted him to write a sequel to "The Hobbit").
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Mar 2, 2022 8:17:50 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

You could say Beren and Luthien was a romantic adventure too.
Matthew
When you return to your unobservable but empirically determined dimension of origin--tell them CARL SAGAN sent you.
posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 11:10:30 pm EST from 64.85.245.77

I think the film's original name pre-translation was simply "Sampo"

The Hobbit was a bedtime fairy tale, Lord of the Rings was a sprawling epic, and Children of Hurin was a Sophocles/Lönnrot double feature.
Friendly CIA Spook
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posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 10:06:23 pm EST from 12.198.245.34

MATTHEW - The Kullervo story even has the main character's sword talk to him just before he commits suicide with it.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 7:50:54 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

Before you even finished that sentence Todd, I was thinking "that sounds a lot like the Children of Hurin."

Makes sense, Tolkien drew a lot from the various myths and legends of western Europe.
Matthew
When you return to your unobservable but empirically determined dimension of origin--tell them CARL SAGAN sent you.
posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 7:28:53 pm EST from 64.85.245.77

FRIENDLY - That title sounds more like a sci-fi disaster movie. (I assume, though, that it comes from the part after the Quest for the Sampo when Louhi steals the sun and the moon in revenge and seals them away.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 6:44:48 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

I got to sit in on a senior's presentation on the Kalevala when I was in college, and it was pretty fascinating.
Karrin Blue
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posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 12:18:07 pm EST from 64.251.62.62

There's a Swedish movie adaptation called "The Day The Earth Froze," though your mileage may vary on the quality.
Friendly CIA Spook
Repleti nucis, Cachinnis vere satiat te
posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 9:04:47 am EST from 12.198.245.34

I know the Kalevala only from summaries and adaptations; I've never read the original. It's a Finnish verse-epic about the deeds of the ancient Finnish heroes, chief of whom is Vainamoinen, who is a great wizard and singer (song plays a major role in the "Kalevala", with the heroes carrying out magical works by singing). A major element of the story is the quest for the Sampo (the wondrous mill I mentioned earlier this week), when Vainamoinen, his brother Ilmarinen the master-smith (who forged the Sampo) and Lemminkainen, a trouble-prone fellow, embark on the expedition to retrieve the Sampo from the sorceress Louhi.

(J. R. R. Tolkien was fond of the Kalevala, alongside the Norse myths and "Beowulf", and was even influenced by one of its side-stories, that of Kullervo, a tragic figure who, after many misadventures, unwittingly commits incest and then, upon discovering it, kills himself. Tolkien's tale of Turin Turambar in "The Silmarillion" shows some strong parallels to it.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 7:44:01 am EST from 70.176.217.135

The "Kalevala" is story I've heard of but never really looked into. Out of curiosity, how is it?
Matthew
When you return to your unobservable but empirically determined dimension of origin--tell them CARL SAGAN sent you.
posted @ Tue, Mar 1, 2022 2:21:04 am EST from 64.85.245.77

Sorry for the double post, but I failed to mention that I reread that story today.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Feb 28, 2022 8:41:16 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

Yep, I'd noticed that liberty with geography as well.

Incidentally, I reread another of Don Rosa's Donald Duck stories that had Donald and Co. encounter an actual legend - in this case, the "Kalevala" story because today's Kalevala Day. (The Kalevala is a Finnish heroic epic which features the Sampo, a magical mill which could grind out salt, grain, and gold. Scrooge McDuck is after it for the gold - and he, Donald, and Donald's nephews do battle with a team-up between Louhi, an evil sorcerss who was the villain of the Kalevala, and Magica de Spell.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Feb 28, 2022 8:38:08 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

Oh, I love that one. It does demonstrate an impressive amount of research regarding the historicity of Arthur. Not so much on geography; Stonehenge is not in Cadbury Castle's backyard. They're about 38 miles apart, a bit of a hoof for a one-day trip even on horseback. Heh. Hoof.
Friendly CIA Spook
Repleti nucis, Cachinnis vere satiat te
posted @ Mon, Feb 28, 2022 7:50:33 pm EST from 12.198.245.34

Pentecost certainly strikes me as an appropriate day for Arthurian-related activity. (I recall that a few years ago, Pentecost happened to fall on June 9, which is Donald Duck's "birthday". I decided to commemorate that by rereading Don Rosa's "The Once and Future Duck", which had Donald and his nephews time travel back to King Arthur's time - but a King Arthur based on the historical speculation about the roots of the Arthurian legend as a post-Roman war leader, and a very unfriendly fellow at that.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Feb 28, 2022 6:54:06 pm EST from 70.176.217.135

Happy day before Mardi Gras. Time to get my Arthurian movie marathon picks sorted out for Pentecost.
Friendly CIA Spook
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posted @ Mon, Feb 28, 2022 11:42:44 am EST from 12.198.245.34

Happy last day of February!
Karrin Blue
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posted @ Mon, Feb 28, 2022 7:16:45 am EST from 68.9.91.142