I thought I had #2 among my catch up purchases. Hope I just forgot to take it out of the saved stuff.
Antiyonder
posted @ Fri, Aug 1, 2025 4:03:15 pm EDT from 68.119.3.1

I just had another thought, though perhaps this is clear for everyone else: The titles for the Demona arc are all well known adages.
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Fri, Aug 1, 2025 9:24:28 am EDT from 69.229.197.48

As a side-note, last night, I was consulting my old copy of Snorri Sturluson's "Prose Edda" (a University of California Press edition) while writing [SPOILER] the information on the original Magni, Modi, and Skadi for GargWiki [/SPOILER], and noted a list of a few other publications by that publishing company on the inside back page (under the title "Of Related Interest"). [SPOILER] One of them was "The Poem of the Cid". [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Aug 1, 2025 9:12:25 am EDT from 68.99.93.213

Matthew> Sorry for the robotic response. When I read my comment back to myself right now, I totally saw what you meant. Ha!

Todd> Thanks for sharing that. I recall that Snorri Sturlsson was also mentioned by Greg on the "Eye of the Storm" Voices podcast. That was the first I had heard of him.
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Fri, Aug 1, 2025 9:07:54 am EDT from 69.229.197.48

Originally tried posting this last evening, but the room was having problems at the time. Let's see if it gets through this time.

A bit more on "Demona" #2.

[SPOILER] While my main historical source for Sigurd Magnuson's great journey was Dan Jones' "The Crusaders", I've another book on the subject, "Chronicles of the Crusades", that includes medieval accounts of his adventure, including one from Snorri Sturluson's "Heimskringla", a history of the Kings of Norway. (This is the same Snorri who wrote the "Prose Edda", a major source for Norse mythology - including the story of Skadi and Njord's troubled marital relations that clearly influenced the Skadi of "Demona" #2.) Snorri included a few excerpts from a couple of Norse poets, which I thought I'd share with the comment room; they certainly share the wild swashbuckling tone of the story.

(The quotes are taken from "Chronicles of the Crusades", edited by Elizabeth Hallam, Weidenfeld and Nicolson: New York, 1989, p. 104-05.)

From the first poet, Einar Skulason:

The leader let his sea-cold ship
Slip through Grecian waters -
Not few to the songster
The king's good gifts -
Before the generous chieftain
Anchored in expansive Acre;
All his men made merry
Then, with the king, that morning.

I say that the strife-glad king
Journeyed to Jerusalem -
Men know of no greater prince
Under storm-hall's skies;
Then the glad, gold-giving king
Could in clean streams
Of Jordan bathe;
An action
Well worth praise.

From another poet, Halldor Skvaldri on Sigurd's attack on Sidon - the same battle where, in the comic, the Eye of Odin's mounting was damaged with disastrous consequences for the young king:

You took the heathens' town
By force, you she-wolf feeder;
Each battle was begun with pride,
You gave it away with grace.

Back to Einar Skulason, on the same battle:

The catapults crashed
In the clamour of conflict.
The fierce raven-feeder
Broke down brave walls.
Fair blades became bloodied;
The bold king boasted of victory. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Aug 1, 2025 8:42:00 am EDT from 68.99.93.213

Matt> Had to double take there for a second. That's the kind of thing we usually read from the bots that come by.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight
posted @ Thu, Jul 31, 2025 10:30:18 pm EDT from 184.23.35.150

My local shop has still not gotten Demona #2 in, and commented, when I called them, that they'd had a light week of releases generally. It's just paranoia, but I'm really hoping that's not a sign of trouble with their local distributor. Or maybe the pack mules they're using for delivery got slowed by the recent heat wave.

Picking up Antiyonder's and Matthew Fedora's comments below, I really like the idea that the "Gargoyles" franchise is strong enough to try to use it as a way to introduce an audience to some of these others. That's a pleasantly optimistic interpretation and, from the sound of it, not unlikely.

I was in New York on Tuesday, working by the east landing of the Queensboro Bridge. It isn't quite in the right part of the city for this franchise, I suppose, but was still enough geeky fun to be a distraction.
morrand - [morrand276 at gmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Jul 31, 2025 10:06:13 pm EDT from 108.69.72.60

Great thoughts, everyone. I've really been enjoying them.
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Thu, Jul 31, 2025 3:06:52 pm EDT from 69.229.197.48

Finally got my copies of Gargoyles Demona #1-2. In my case the problem is finding a good time to get to the comic store when the temperature isn't to hot.

Autumn and Winter in contrast if it doesn't snow, I tend to do better in.
Antiyonder
posted @ Thu, Jul 31, 2025 2:59:45 pm EDT from 68.119.3.1

Todd > [SPOILER] Thanks for that additional information on Sigurd Magnusson. Very interesting. [/SPOILER]

Phoenician > I still haven't been able to locate any information on that "Frank Paur Exclusive" cover of #1, which is a bummer. The only place I've ever seen it referenced is in the Cover Gallery in the book itself, and it doesn't say whom the exclusive is for! My assumption is it got lost in the shuffle when the book was so repeatedly delayed. Maybe someone could ask Frank about it.
Craig
posted @ Thu, Jul 31, 2025 10:57:57 am EDT from 69.118.30.106

It's been so much fun to enjoy the digital and physical release within a 24-hour span. Comic shop pulled my copies out of the pullbox as soon as I opened the door! Anways, here's my thoughts on Gargoyles: Demona #2 --

[SPOILER]
Considering Demona and Angelika only joined Sigurd's crew in Galicia, I'm curious how far south in Europe one can see the Northern Lights. Maybe the Sun was having an active year, kinda like what we in the real world have been experiencing the last couple years.

It is incredibly fun to see Sigurd wear (wield? more on that below) an earlier take on the Eye of Odin. A painting by Andreas Bloch looks like it was a reference for our in-universe Sigurd Magnusson. The crown looks like a dead-on match :--)

Angelika's reaction to Skade playing with Demona's hair is priceless. Demona's too, for that matter, lol.

The page with Skade trying to convince Demona and Angelika to join them on Sigurd's crusade was so helpful in terms of dates. From the timestamp we see its 1108, and Skade mentions the king is nineteen, allowing us to know Sigurd was born in 1089. Add the 'half a decade' he's been king, and we have a date of 1103 there, yay. Which of course, all of this can be looked up online, but it's super helpful to see it in the canon too.

The Poem of El Cid has been on my shelf for some time, but I have yet to read it. But I so love having found it randomly in a used bookshop all those years ago (a good decade at least), because it's actually a parallel text, bilingual with Spanish on one page, and English on the other. Finding that really inspired me to want to build a personal collection of classics that weren't originally in English (and seriously, it feels like a wasted business opportunity). Not that I think I can become a polyglot one day, but at least to remind myself of literature's diversity. Other fun finds have been a German/English Goethe's Faust (but only the first part) and a Latin/English of Dante's Inferno (which I take it that the author burnt themselves out perfecting the translation without costing meter or meaning from the first third of the Divine Comedy. He never did the Purgatorio or the Paradisio so far as I know. I'd love to find a solid translation and parallel text of Don Quixote one day.

The Box is making me wonder about Blackbeard's living situation on the Queen Anne's Revenge.

Props to Matt for noticing Angelika aquiring the locket. Didn't catch that on my first read. Also, yes to the parallels from Dark Ages. Demona's enabling as bad as "Hyppolyta"!

Oh, and if the background of the Gibraltar panel is supposed to be the Rock of Gibraltar, then wouldn't that angle imply the ship is heading west toward the Atlantic? At any rate, it's a Stone/Spirit of Destiny cameo d:

Modi, Magni, and Skade are all fun characters and designs, but I love Skade's sea serpentesque tail.

Okay, so this early version of the Eye of Odin -- part of me is wondering if the difference in how Sigurd behaves when wearing compared to Fox, the Archmage, and Goliath is that it might have been Odin's literal eye, but perhaps in the 12th Century it wasn't Three Keys-status. Granted, the Eye was already pegged by the Archmage as one of the Three Keys in 975, so perhaps this train of thought is just bunk. But I like the idea of the power fluctuating between different talismans over the eons. Given what we know about the nature of the Three Keys, I'm betting it wasn't an idential trio of objects that the Roman Magus used (though given the impact of the Spell of Humility, the Grimorum and Phoenix Gate seem strong candidates).

I'm also kinda wondering if Demona's training with the Archmage has made her sensitive to the Eye of Odin's potential magicks.

At any rate, Sigurd's lost his nerve and it's ultimately up to interpretation how much of an impact the Eye of Odin had on him.

Oooh! Just had a thought. What if the mace that smashed the Eye's setting was made of iron?

Wasn't sure originally if the background in the Constantinople page was the Hagia Sophia or the Blue Mosque, but a quick research shows that the Blue Mosque wasn't built until the 17th Century. And yes, Craig, that's one of my favorite panels in the entire Dynamite run.

Kind of nice that the royal court of Emperor Alexios isn't reacting to the visiting gargoyles with a tone reminiscent of Princess Katharine's "beasts in the Dining Hall". Makes me wonder how frequent they see gargoyles in that corner of the world in that century.

So much hair stroking. The fact that Demona's reciprocating means Skade's finally wore her down after three years, lol.

Was kind of bummed there wasn't a Frank Paur cover for this issue. Not that I figured out how to snag the one for Issue #1. Oh well, maybe next time.
[/SPOILER]

In short, lot's of fun making me eager for Issue #3!
Phoenician
Gus: "I always forget you're there." Hooty: "I forget I'm here toooooo."
posted @ Thu, Jul 31, 2025 4:39:43 am EDT from 15.220.31.110

A bit more on "Demona" #2.

[SPOILER] I'd like to thank Matt for pointing out the business about the Eye of Odin's original design. I'd somehow missed that bit the first time I read it - but a reread after his post led to my noticing it, and following the Eye's role in the story much better.

I looked through the chapter on Sigurd Magnusson from Dan Jones' "Crusaders" (my primary source for his seafaring expedition); it mentioned that sometime after Sigurd returned to Norway, he started to go mad (hallucinating fish swimming around in his bathtub, for example, and bursting into fits of insane laughter); Jones commented that some historians have suggested this was a case of post-traumatic stress disorder. It'd be tempting to, from a "Gargoyles Universe" perspective, see it as an after-effect from the Eye of Odin (Fox and Goliath showed no similar cases, of course - but Sigurd bore the Eye longer than they did). [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 11:36:30 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

[SPOILER] Something I forgot to mention. There's a more personal reason I was such a big fan of the Nordic gargoyles. They, or more specifically Skade, really resembles a D&D character I made years ago. I was specifically trying to make a character evocative of the gargoyles so seeing her look like a character I made was such a delight. [/SPOILER]
Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 11:31:12 pm EDT from 184.23.35.150

Have there been other moments where fan-favorite or obscure designs from past media were retroactively woven into the main Gargoyles universe?
Geometry Dash - [lauralordelaure at gmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 10:28:08 pm EDT from 183.81.91.185

Demona #2 thoughts.

[SPOILER]
Another great issue. This is shaping up to be my favorite Gargoyles comic series yet. My only complaint is that I wish there were way more issues.

In stark contrast to #1, this issue has--I think--the smallest cast of any Gargoyles comic issue ever, with only seven speaking roles.

Gorgeous Paur artwork throughout, but that first panel of Demona is particularly glorious. It's really moving, seeing her so calm and at peace, and free from the pain and anger that usually consume her. I don't know how intentional it was, but the framing--particularly the placement of her hair--almost makes her look dead and laid to rest (an alternate meaning of "at peace"), which has some interesting connotations given her immortality and the attendant restlessness.

I haven't gotten my physical copy yet, but I assume there are only 6 pages of ads, since the main story is technically 24 pages (including the two black pages stating the year). I sort of love that Greg is gaming the system this way.

"Saracens!" Not a word I ever expected to see in a Disney comic. Of course, the "politics" of the Crusades are rather fraught from a modern perspective. On the one hand, I wish Greg had had the space to give some personality and sense of history/culture to the "Saracens," instead of having them as a generic faceless enemy. But I assume Disney would not be crazy about delving into the nuances of a religious conflict, and the story is packed as it is.

Great designs on the three Nordic gargs.

While I'm not always crazy about Greg's attempts at humor, the "flank" exchange definitely get a chuckle out of me.

I know it's already been said a few times, but it's very cool to see the Sega design for the Eye incorporated into canon. I wonder how long Greg has had this explanation in his back pocket. It fits beautifully.

Once again, we're deceived by a solicitation! Demona and Angelika join up with Sigurd in late 1108 in Galicia, not 1107 in Norway as we were led to believe. Someday, when Voices from the Eyrie reaches the Dynamite comics, I'm very curious to learn whether the inaccurate solicitations reflect earlier drafts, are deliberate misdirection, or (as I somewhat expect) are just Nate Cosby writing whatever he thinks sounds coolest. I do prefer the version we got, as it adds the neat lore nugget that Demona joined up with El Cid for a time, which is a story I'd very much like to see.

"I don't like humans, vikings, OR kings." Great line. As is, "Hm. Humans attacking humans. And we get to help?" It's easy to get caught up in the fact that, yes, Demona is happy and has a sense of community, and we all love that for her. But, as Matthew points out, all of this is still ultimately built around bloodlust and a desire to kill. Even at her most mentally healthy, Demona is pretty messed up...and to some extent, Angelika seems to be following in her footsteps. That closeup on Demona's smile at the bottom of page 11 is chilling.

The implications of Sigurd and the Eye are very interesting. Did the Eye behave differently when it was in the original setting? It's difficult to know for sure whether Sigurd was "altered" in the same way as Fox and Goliath, since we don't really have a clear sense of his baseline personality. Without the Eye, he seems to just descend into his cups, so to speak, and give up on battle. I'm eager to hear Todd's insights on the historical context, since I know he's been reading up on Sigurd. Historically, I assume he turned back at that point because geographically/strategically, he'd accomplished what he intended to? Do we know why he chose to travel back on land rather than sea, and to gift his ships and treasure to Constantinople?

That shot of the gargoyles all sort of luxuriating on the boat in the Bosporus (I assume) is worthy of being a poster. Kudos to Bevard on the color work there. Really atmospheric.
[/SPOILER]
Craig
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 8:36:20 pm EDT from 69.118.30.106

A few thoughts on "Demona" #2.

[SPOILER] While the solicitation for #4 had prepared me for this, I was still surprised by the Eye of Odin's appearance in this story. It's certainly appropriate for a Viking king like Sigurd Magnusson to have it, though. And we also see that shield again, with Sigurd giving it to Demona as a present.

We find out that Demona was working with El Cid a few years back, another example of her teaming up with a noted historical figure from the 11th century with a legendary atmosphere.

Skadi's remark about missing the mountains back home amused me; it's a little "Norse mythology allusion". In the Norse myths, the original Skadi was a jotun (the people in Norse myth popularly described as "frost giants", though they seem to have been more than that) who married the god Njord. However, they ran into trouble over where to live; Skadi came from the mountains and preferred to live there, while Njord preferred to live by the sea. So they tried rotating it, spending nine days and nights first on the sea-coast, then the next nine days and nights in the mountains. Njord didn't like living in the mountains, however, complaining about the wolves howling at night, while Skadi equally disliked the clamor of the sea-birds. So they apparently separated and Skadi stayed in the mountains after that. (J. R. R. Tolkien seems to have taken a particular interest in this story, alluding to it or echoing it in much of his work. It doesn't get brought into "The Hobbit" or "The Lord of the Rings", but he did write a story about a royal couple in the land of Numenor, long before the events of "The Lord of the Rings", having similar marital problems, titled "Aldarion and Erendis"; it was posthumously published in "Unfinished Tales of Middle-earth and Numenor".)

The gargoyles who stay in Constantinople, such as Magni, join the Varingian Guard, which seems appropriate for them (though I can't help suspecting that any gargoyles still in the Varingian Guard by 1204 are likely to suffer a dark fate); we see Magni taking his post alongside a gargoyle who looks a bit like Griff.

Demona clearly still isn't fond of working with humans, while seeing that it may be necessary - and I liked the ending with her and Angelika, still accompanying her.

I'll give a deeper look into this story later, but I enjoyed it, just as I did the first issue. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 8:11:54 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

So here's some quick thoughts on Demona #2.

[SPOILER] The journey to Constantinople (not Istanbul) with Sigurd and the Norse Clan could be a few issues on its own but given that it's mostly a voyage of plundering like the real historical one, I can imagine it would get a bit repetitive. We also see some more facets of Demona and her complex relationship with humans, a period of time before she only saw them as a means for her to ultimately wipe them out or enslave them. And the relationship here is...well not the best. As good as it is to have human/gargoyle relationships with a strong bond, that bond is still based around traveling the world and sacking cities and ships. The fact that Demona goes along with the voyage to attack and kill humans just goes to show that she's not part of this alliance for the healthiest of reasons. And even when everything is said and done, she leaves behind any semblance of stability or happiness to wander again. And sadly, Angelika feels the need to do the same, regardless of her own feelings.

I have to say I love the look of the Norse Clan. The mixture of the classic Scottish look we're used to with the animal heads of the London Clan was inspired considering the Anglo-Saxon influences found in the UK. I might even go as far to say that the earliest Nordic Clans are probably the reason for the distinct looks of the different clans found in the Islands. Plus, the heavier emphasis on whites, grays, and blacks in their coloration gives them a stark look that wouldn't feel out of place in the harsh winters of the north.

Two of them, Magni and Modi are of course named for Thor's sons ("Mighty" and "Wrath" respectively). Skade translates to "harm" or "damage" and feels appropriate for the thematic naming of the clan. I do wonder if the two gargoyles are meant to represent Thor's sons or whether they once existed and the gargoyles are named for them. Still a lot to learn about the mini-Ragnarok that Greg mentioned before.

Matt already covered the double raven design and its change to the one we all know, it's nice that Greg got to use an element from the game considering how much he liked that design. So instead I'll bring up something that was only mentioned in passing, Demona's alliance with El Cid, the great hero of Spain. Once again it seems more like an alliance of convenience than an actual partnership (and that's a story worth seeing in a comic). That's a big reveal right there considering both the war and El Cid's complicated history in the wars with the Moors. But it also shows that Demona's alliances with humans seem to based entirely on the chance of killing other humans. Makes me wonder if will see El CId's sword Tizona some time in the future.

To conclude, I have to mention something that stood out to me. That sad look from Angelika at the end. I think it's safe to say that at this point and despite what Demona says, she really does care for her. And while there is certainly a strong bond between the two that certainly does come off as mother and daughter. Ultimately it looks like it will fall back on leader and follower, with Demona leading away from her kind and away from stability and Angelika dutifully following. Even if it leads away from a clan and kinship and love... [/SPOILER]

That's all for now, I'm looking forward to issue 3 in hopefully just a few short weeks.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 7:03:47 pm EDT from 184.23.35.150

Yes! Demona #2 did drop late last night. Usually I try to get my thoughts down before I talk about any new stuff in order to provide my unfiltered thoughts, but I got pretty busy with life over the last 16 hours and chatted with a couple people about it, so these thoughts are somewhat muddied. Ha

So, here we go...

[SPOILER] - I love that Demona we start with here. Happy, calm, really seems to be enjoying life. And despite a few personal problems, she really seems to be at a happy point in her life in this story from start to finish. Every gargoyle makes it through this story unscathed (which says a lot in a Demona story!). These are good times... which of course means they can't last.

- Love the growing bond between Demona and Angelika. I think Demona was quietly fond of the rookling by the end of "Fools...", but now its clear to see that she really likes the "teenager" Angelika has grown to be. And it is mutual. Angelika, despite new relationships and opportunities, puts Demona first. I love the moment where she says that Demona is her clan. For both of them, and the traumas they've faced with their clans, that has some real weight to it. They're going to stick together no matter what. I noted that Angelika calls Demona by her name (not "mother" or anything) and kind of wonder if the mother/daughter relationship will be stated clearly by the end of this arc or if it will remain a more subtextual thing. We shall see.

- Still loving the weight of the pages with the year on black background. This issue covers several years and jumps around a bit and we don't get any opening narration, so the drops of "1109" and "1111" don't thump down as hard as 1093 did, but I still love it. And the 1111 page was personally fun for me and I excitedly showed my husband while reading it since 11-11 is our anniversary and we often text each other or whatever when we see the time is 11:11 or any other times eleven-eleven shows up.

- The battle is fun. We don't have many sea battles in Gargoyles. Demona is clearly a joyous and experienced warrior, but Angelika still has much to learn. She reminds me here of a young Angel back in Dark Ages. Rushing into battle and not watching her back. Or flank. Fortunately, Demona and Angelika have lots of backup in some new Norse gargoyles! Always fun to see new clans! Love their new look: White skin/fur, black hair, and long tails seem to be a hallmark of their stock. And I like Magni's almost troll-like look. Modi is very cool looking and seems fairly pragmatic. I wish we had gotten more of him since the other two new gargoyles got a bit more characterization. The third is, of course, Skade. And her relationship with Demona is very interesting. A definite bond, but Demona just doesn't want to commit. Maybe she just wants to stay on the move. Maybe she's thinking of Goliath and her commitment to him or the pain of losing him. I don't know, but, for both, it feels like they will be the ones that got away. Meanwhile, the Angelika and Magni flirtations in this story are so cute. Young love!

- And lets not forget about the chief human of this tale: Sigurd. He seems so cool and confident and charismatic... until he loses the Eye. Then I felt a definite switch. Demona noticed it too losing his nerve and luck. Unlike others we have seen in possession of the Eye, he wasn't transformed into a monster, but rather just a more exciting adventuring king. Without it, he's just ready to wrap this adventure up and head home. Unlike Fox, the Archmage, and Goliath it was interesting to meet him carrying the Eye first before seeing what he is like without it. As for the Eye of Odin itself, I love that it started out with the awesome double Raven design from the video game. Cool that that design has finally made it into canon. And Greg long ago said he felt that the modern design felt more Egyptian to him, so now we learn why! Neat stuff. Also, we get a return of Odin's shield and how it came to Demona. And a third trinket makes a brief appearance: the golden locket. In Angelika's possession, but not turning to stone with her. Looted from another ship, I suppose. Now we need to see how the Shield and locket made their way to Japan.

- Jumping back in time a year, we learn how this whole sea adventure got started. I'm still amazed that Demona, who long ago vowed to never ally with a human again, keeps on doing it. The Captain, Macbeth, Sigurd, Xanatos, Antoinette. It is nice to see here that the relationship never goes sour and they part ways amicably. Happy times indeed. See, Demona, when we honor our bonds of trust and love, things turn out much better!!! All that said, I am both impressed by and skeptical of "The Box". Seems a wise precaution, but I also think if a human really wanted to get in, they could. It's quite a bit of engineering, but still. The fact that the Norse gargoyles came up with this is odd. If they trust Sigurd, they don't need it, and if they don't trust him, then why go to all the trouble? I dunno. I guess its just a precaution which is wise, but it still seems like they're playing it both ways. Still, it all turns out well in the end, so maybe there is some merit to the idea. Can't help but wonder if The Box still exists in Constantinople. Did Magni and Modi continue to use it? Seems like it could also be useful for keeping the Third Race in. Or out. Oh, and started a liking for Modi the second he pointed out that, despite Magni's plan, if the ship sinks while they're in The Box, they'll likely drown, such are the realities of sea travel. Surviving as stone to the bottom is one thing, but being able to exit The Box and swim to the top (perhaps being hundreds or even thousands of feet down) is another matter.

- It will take some time for me to research and consider the destinations on their long journey to Constantinople. But I find it very neat. I wonder if they ever met any other gargoyles still around in those three years, or at least heard any rumors of long gone clans. Their audience before the Emperor reminds me of the long foretold moment when gargoyles were brought before Caesar. I tried to glean from the background characters if they were amazed to see gargoyles or were just interested in the whole event. hard to say.

- Lots of partings. Skade and Demona is sweet, but sad. Magni and Modi have found purpose in Constantinople. It makes me wonder if they even have a clan at all to go home to. Demona assumes that Angelika is going to leave her and instantly does some classic Demona moves of pushing her away before she can be pushed away, but Angelika pulls her right back in a way we have never really seen before. Lovely. It is such an unusual Demona story since it is the first time we never really see her angry or vengeful. She's either content, or happy, or excited, or sad, or grateful. Good times! I imagine that Demona must look back on these times as some of the best years of her long life.

- And again Demona and Angelika head off. This time the elder is following the younger. On to our next adventure in a mere 3 weeks!!! Hopefully the August 20th date sticks.

- Loved the art in this one. Paur and Bevard continue to really knock it out of the park. Absolutely stunning. The page where they arrive in Constantinople in particular is gorgeous. Love it. There were a few panels where I felt Frank was perhaps up against the clock a bit, but nothing was hard to look at. This art remains among my favorite of all the Gargoyles comics art that we've seen. Great work. [/SPOILER]

So, that's my thoughts. Looking forward to reading everyone else's!
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 6:11:02 pm EDT from 69.229.197.48

Blaise: it's almost certainly an IP address block. email me at s8org.contact@gmail.com with your home IP address, or your ISP's address block (you can leave the last number off if you want). you can get your ip address from places like https://whatsmyipaddress.org/ if you need. once i have it i can clean up the blocks to let you through.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 3:42:01 pm EDT from 204.144.15.9

****Blaise dashes through the Comment Room...although his head stops as his body continues (with neck stretching like a cartoon's).****

Rushing through my lunch in the middle of rushing around at work before I rush to the comic shop for the physical copies of the latest issue! But there was one thing I needed to do first:

GOREBASH> For some reason, I'm still not able to access Station 8 on my home computer or using my home Wi-Fi network. I keep getting a 403 Access Forbidden error. Like last time, I'm posting this via my phone.
Any idea what might be causing this? Anything I can do on my end to fix it?

Thanks!
****Blaise's head snaps back out of the Room in the direction his body went like a rubber band.****
Blaise
"There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes."--The Doctor
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 3:28:51 pm EDT from 174.218.86.246

Demona #2 is out digitally!

There is...umm...a lot to talk about in this one.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If someone ever tells me it's a mistake to have hope, well then, I'll just tell them they're wrong. And I'll keep telling them until they believe. No matter how many times it takes." - Madoka Kaname
posted @ Wed, Jul 30, 2025 1:26:36 pm EDT from 76.173.137.179

*Nods to Claw*. Presumably, he would do little more than nod back.

Matthew the Fedora Guy> Thanks for sharing that anecdote. That is good to hear!
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Tue, Jul 29, 2025 10:23:32 am EDT from 69.229.197.48

Side note: today is International Tiger Day, so we ought to give a nod to Claw.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jul 29, 2025 9:13:39 am EDT from 68.99.93.213

I shared the news with some folks from my local comic shop, one of them responded with, "That's how you know the comic's doing well. When the noncanon crossover comes into play."
Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight
posted @ Tue, Jul 29, 2025 1:34:13 am EDT from 184.23.35.150

Greg Weisman and Tad Stones are writing the crossover. No matter what, this thing will be fire.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
Become a writer, you can be petty~~Roshni Chokshi
posted @ Tue, Jul 29, 2025 12:04:30 am EDT from 174.196.57.210

At least you've got to admit that there's still a strong fondness for "Darkwing Duck" here. I recall that one of the biggest responses the "DuckTales" reboot got in this comment room was the Darkwing episodes - especially the one about the "Darkwing Duck" movie and what happened at the end to the original "Darkwing" actor.... That part got some real excitement.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 10:18:11 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

As with the FF Crossover, I have mostly good, but still mixed, feelings on the Darkwing Duck crossover. Obviously, yes, what I want is more canon material. These crossovers are about as interesting to me as any other non-canon Gargoyles material is. In support of the property and the potential good such crossovers could do for the future of the franchise, I will certainly buy it and I'll probably enjoy it. But I'm not nearly as excited about it as I am about any of the canon stuff. But yeah, the more attention on Gargoyles, the better, so if this is what Dynamite or Marvel or Disney wants to do, great! I just hope they keep greenlighting the canon stuff along the way.
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 9:50:26 pm EDT from 69.229.197.48

I'm also excited for the Gargoyles/Darkwing crossover, if for no other reason I want to see Demona react to DW's "I am the Terror that Flaps in the Night!" speech. Not to mention Hudson's already watched Quack Pack so I'm curious on how he'll take characters like this showing up.

Antiyonder> It is true that a lot of people have certain set ideas on how certain characters should be portrayed and not just based on race/creed/religion etc. The recent Superman movie is a good example of that, though I won't elaborate just yet in case anyone's avoiding spoilers.

But there's also the factor based on preceding animation and how people expect certain characters to behave or be represented. You would not believe how many people think John Stewart was the founding Green Lantern representative in the Justice League simply because he was in the DCAU.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 9:27:26 pm EDT from 184.23.35.150

Todd Jensen> You know, I heard there was apparently to be a proper Darkwing Duck/Rescue Ranger crossover and that bit was a remnant.
Antiyonder
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 8:39:40 pm EDT from 68.119.3.1

The obvious question about this crossover is that "Gargoyles" was set in a human-inhabited world, "Darkwing Duck" set in a world of anthropomorphic animals, making a crossover between them probably even more of a challenge than the "Gargoyles"/"Fantastic Four" crossover. The most likely solution (to me, at least) would be "characters from one world entering another" (and "Darkwing Duck" *did* do an episode where Darkwing got stuck in a human-inhabited world where he was a cartoon - and which even ended with the television executive who'd found out about Darkwing's world picking up the Rescue Rangers on his device).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 8:22:33 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

Bah. Been away too long, it seems. Fixed now.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 7:59:05 pm EDT from 162.154.8.4

I can see the concern/general disdain, but frankly, I'm not the LEAST bit surprised since Dynamite is known for crossovers. And honestly, weird stuff like this often winds up reaching folks who were fans of the shows and weren't aware of either comic. So I get the concern it won't reach new audience, but honestly, as often as folks pop up "I loved Gargoyles growing up; I had no idea there were continuation comics!" I have NO problem with this crossover.

Plus Goliath as straight man to DW and Launchpad is gonna be a treat. Puck'll love it.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 7:58:28 pm EDT from 162.154.8.4

Antiyonder > I definitely get that for Fantastic 4. While I'm not crazy about the crossover idea, it feels like an attempt by Disney to put new eyeballs on Gargoyles, which I appreciate and see as a vote of confidence. With Darkwing...I feel like most of the audience is Disney Afternoon nostalgists (like me!) who are already well aware of Gargoyles, and either like it or don't. I don't really know that there's much opportunity for growth of the brand there. And two crossover announcements in a row is just kind of a bummer.
Craig
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 6:52:38 pm EDT from 69.118.30.106

https://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=26500

Meh. Besides what Greg says, you still get people who show the same entitlement when it comes to original properties. Especially when it comes to well diversity (i.e. The Owl House hated by some for the lead character being bi, and involved with a girl who's a lesbian).

Craig> In fairness, it doesn't necessarily mean there won't be canon stories. Arguably these help get the property's attention from other fandoms.
Antiyonder
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 6:44:05 pm EDT from 68.119.3.1

Hm. So I guess it was announced at SDCC that we're now getting a Gargoyles / Darkwing Duck crossover? Obviously I adore both properties, but I'm not really at all enthusiastic at the focus seeming to be shifting to these non-canon crossovers. I get that they're commercially profitable for Dynamite and Disney, but I am FAR more interested in seeing actual canon Gargoyles stories. Meh.

Anyway, Demona #2 this week hopefully!
Craig
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 6:32:45 pm EDT from 69.118.30.106

I'll SECOND that, though maybe I shouldn't.

Well, anyway, a day and a half until Demona #2!!!
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 10:56:47 am EDT from 69.229.197.48

The full moon’s energy could definitely stir some epic action.
that's not my neighbor - [jeffreestary at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 28, 2025 5:01:07 am EDT from 58.187.25.63