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Laura aka 'ad astra' writes...
Glad to see Ask Greg running again! I had downloaded the old archives, (or most of them) sometime last year. I checked periodically and it seemed the page was down. I gave up on the Ask Greg page and only checked it again on a lark. It took me weeks to read through everything!
Oh, a question-
You seem to have a much more optimistic view on the series coming back then when last I checked in. Has something changed? To be more precise- Before you seemed to say "long shot at best for the series in any form, even the live action movie seems dead". Now the movie doesn't sound dead, and the long term revival hopes good, (lost the quote, sorry). I am much heartened, and almost as curious.
I have many more questions to follow, but for now I want to say thank you for doing this, and thanks to Gorebash for running it.
Greg responds...
The movie isn't a lost cause. It hasn't progressed an inch really, but normally after this much time that would result in its death. They'd give up. But they absolutely haven't given up. In fact, they've just hired a NEW writer. Touchstone/Disney REALLY, REALLY wants to make this movie. So that keeps me optimistic. (And the success of X-Men doesn't hurt either.)
I don't love that Toon Disney is editing episodes and refuses to air "Deadly Force". But they ARE airing the show about twice a day. That gives me hope.
I haven't given up in any way, shape or form. I'm still in there trying to come up with ways to bring the show back in some, well, way, shape or form. In fact, I've got a new nefarious plan in the works now with Doug Murphy, a former GARGOYLES (and BAD GUYS) storyboard artist. Too soon to talk about now, but give me time.
The response here at ASK GREG is overwhelming. That means fan interest still exists. And I'm VERY heartened by the continuing success of the GATHERINGS. That gives me hope.
In fact, people ask me what they can do to help bring the show back, and what has become clear to me is that the best single way a fan can help is by attending one or more GATHERINGS. Aside from the sheer FUN FACTOR of the convention, it is the raw numbers in attendance that will help me prove to the powers that be at Disney that the show is still viable and ready to return. Come to Orlando next month. PLEASE. It's gonna be GREAT. Guests include myself, Thom Adcox, Brad Rader and Greg Guler.
And without doubt, plan to come to next years GATHERING in Los Angeles. I guarantee we will have over twenty members of the cast and crew in attendance. And if the fan attendance numbers are big enough, we will bring Disney Execs and show them first hand the opportunity they are missing out on. Do NOT MISS THAT ONE if you want to see the show back on the air.
Bubbles writes...
Hey I'm a realy big fan of Gargoyles and I have two questions.
1. I was just wondering if it were true that there is a Gargoyle movie being made?
2. Do you think that Disney or who ever will ever ask you and your crew to make Gargoyles again?
Thanks for you time!
Greg responds...
1. Yes. It's in development at Touchstone pictures. They have a new writer, Simon Kinberg, who should turn in a first draft script in October.
2. I hope so. I think so too.
Jade writes...
Dear Greg,
Thank you so much for responing to my Q's. It really made me feel a lot better to know that my Q's were going to the right place. I've wacthed a few of your Max Steel shows. I think it'll be a great show. But any way on to the Q's.
1. I've looked along the archives and didn't find this question, so here it goes. Is there any way to get the show back up? I've tryed every thing I could thank of! I wrote tons of letters to Buena Vista, and at first they were nice about it then on my, oh I don't know, my tenth letter? They wrote back telling me NOT TO WRITE THEM AGAIN, can you belive that I can't. I've even called Walt Disney, and what about that they put me on hold forever! Okay that felt good getting that of my chest. Anyway if you lost the question it my "ramblings" here it is:
1. Is there any way to get the show back up?
And please don't tell me to look at the archives again. I did't want that to sound rude but it came out rude, sorry.
Greg responds...
1. Uh, did you look at the archive marked "BRINGING GARGOYLES BACK"? I mean I know you asked me not to send you to the archives, but you couldn't have looked very hard. There's an ENTIRE category where I've answered almost every variation of this question.
THe short answer is ATTEND the next two Gatherings. The one in Orlando next month and the one in Los Angeles in the summer of 2001. The best way to get the show back is to prove to Disney that the fandom is huge, intense and ready to spend money on the show. Attend the Gatherings and get as many of your friends to attend with you as possible.
Blaise writes...
An addendum to my thoughts on DEADLY FORCE:
I share your anger and dismay that Toon Disney is being so small-minded about this. Maybe now's the time to mention something I posted here earlier but was lost in one of the MUCH earlier "no questions in the queue" (sp?) glitch.
I have compiled a list of many of Toon Disney's edits to "Gargoyles" so that I may write a letter protesting each of them. Unfortunately, I don't have the address. Where do I send this letter?
Also, do you think it would be a good idea to use "hot-button" words, such as "offensive" (ie, "I find your edits offensive")?
Thanks!
Greg responds...
I don't have the address, but it can't be that hard to find. Have you looked in TV GUIDE? Or for that matter, on the net?
As for "offensive", it depends on your context, I guess. If you say something like, "I'm sure you're making these edits because you're afraid to offend some people. But I actually find the edits themselves offensive." Then it's probably all right. But I'd tend to keep the "dialogue" professional. NOT CONFRONTATIONAL. They'll just respond better. If you can make the point that not airing DEADLY FORCE is wrong-headed, and clearly explain why, it wouldn't hurt.
Padraic Dewey writes...
Greg -- I notice you had (almost) nothing to do with THE GOLIATH CHRONICLES. May I commend you on your good fortune? I found TGC to be nauseatingly preachy, simplistic, and heavy-handed. (Yes, I'm aware those terms overlap.) On with the questions:
1) Anything in the works for you now? I like your style, and would love to see more of it.
2) Since Toon Disney is now airing Gargoyles and TGC, are you aware of any (remote as may be) possibility of more shows being produced? Doubtful (as ALL get out), I know, but I figured...
Greg responds...
1. I'm basically unemployed at the moment, except for a teaching gig through UCLA EXTENSION. I've been working on a live-action screenplay with my brother on spec. Otherwise, I've gone to a lot of meetings. But nothing's happened yet.
2. Not in the short term.
Carissa writes...
Hey Greg,
I love the gargoyles and I realy miss them. I havent missed a day of them since I found out the were on toon disney. I just want to ask if Gargoyles on a scale between 1-10, 10 being the highest, will be coming back anytime in the near future?
And what's this talk of the gargoyle movie?
Please write back thanks.
Greg responds...
Define "near" future? Like in the next couple years. I'd give it a zero chance. Cuz it ain't in production and it takes time to launch (or relaunch) any show. If you mean sometime, than I think the chances go up to eight or so.
Touchstone is developing a live action film based on the gargoyles. They've been at it for years. They haven't given up. But they haven't put it into production either.
Stephen R. "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. writes...
Greetings Greg!
To reply to you answer on my "Max Steel" question on 2-23-200:
Some time ago - around mid-1980's or so - Tonka (or Mattel) released a toy line called "Max Steel's Robo-Force"; basicly a series of cylindrical, claw-armed robots whose major gimick was you could attach them to any flat surface via a suction-cup. They had good guys and bad guys, and I assumed there was to be a show made for them, but the toy line never really took off. (This was during the time when shows like "Transformers", "GoBots" and the like were very popular.)
Now for a question:
If you've ever read the book "Planet X" (a Star Trek:TNG/X-Men crossover novel) then you should understand this query: If you ever got around to writing novels or making a graphic novel with Gargoyles in it, would you ever consider doing a crossover story that pits the Gargoyles with another group of characters from another licensed universe of characters (with the creator's permission of course)?
P.S. - Here's to seeing you in Orlando (if I'm lucky enough to get down there). Maintain and Check Six!
Greg responds...
Hey, Stephen, hope to see you right back.
I've never read Planet X. Frankly, it sounds awful. I can't think of two universes less suitable for crossover than Trek and X-Men. As for whether I'd consider it... the answer is maybe. First, I'd love the chance just to be doing garg stuff sans crossovers. (I've got enough ideas to crossover on my own, including New Olympians, Bad Guys, Pendragon, etc.) Then it would depend on what universe exactly we were trying to cross with. Some might be good fits. Some would not. Then the method of crossover would matter too.
As for Max Steel, it sounds like that's where Mattel got access to the name. Nothing else similar. And I'd never heard of it.
Tigris Euphrates writes...
Forgive me if someone's asked this before...
I enjoy writing fanfiction, and I've had lot of my voluminous writing printed and shared them with friends. They're all encouraging me to try and get it published. What is Disney/ABC/whoever's policy about publishing fan writing. I know Paramount makes a KILLING on it - every bookstore these days has a whole section for fanfiction in print. I know I'm not the only die-hard GARGOYLES fanwriter who'd like to submit their work for printing, too. It also makes sense to try and bolster public interest in the show until the movie is released and whatever other plans are in the making (if any) for GARGOYLES. Where would recommend we start looking?
(http://gargoyles.web.com - Ladyartemis@cybergal.com)
Greg responds...
Hey, you tell me! If Disney is interested in printing original Gargoyle stories, I hope they come to me first. (Which puts us in competition, I guess.) As far as I know, however, there is no interest currently.
Also, I don't think that what you see on bookshelves is STAR TREK "fanfiction". Though it may seem like it, these are all books written by "professional writers" commisioned by Paramount and/or its licensees. By definition, that ain't fanfiction.
Vashkoda writes...
Hi Greg! You've previously mentioned having big plans for the clones that extended to 2158 and beyond, and today you confirmed that some would have children. 1) When you mentioned having plans that extended far into the future, did you mean the present clones or their children? 2) If it's the former, how would they survive that long? 3) Are the clones' children going to remain a separate clan, or will they merge into other clans? 4) Are you going to try to completely nullify what TGC did to the clones, or have you incorporated it into your future plans for them? 5a) Do you have any plans for moving the clones out of the Labyrinth? 5b) If so, where will they move to and why? 6) Will the clones be able to produce genetically normal gargoyle offspring? 7) If you've given this any thought, would the offspring have a parent clone's backwards-coloring or that of the gargoyle one or either of the parents was cloned from? 8) What was Elisa's reaction to finding out she had a clone? 9) If Delilah has a child, how would Elisa react to it?
Greg responds...
1. I'm not sure I understand the question...
2. See the answer to 4.
3. I can't answer this while the clan contest is ongoing.
4. Honestly, I haven't decided yet. Though I didn't care for the episode, it's absolutely one of the easiest to fix. Seems to me the clones could wake up at any time. So if the series came back in the present, I could wake them then. Or I could wake them anytime before 2158. But I figure with Goliath Chronicles it's going to be an all or nothing thing. So I can't make this specific decision in a vacuum. Right now, I'm leaning toward ignoring all post-Journey continuity. But I haven't made -- and probably can't make -- a final decision until I know in what form the series will resurface.
5a. See the answer to 3.
5b. Ditto.
6. Sure.
7. Being color-blind, it's not the first thing I think about.
8. On the surface, she was annoyed with Demona and Thailog, but open to being friends with Delilah. (She had seen the effect Goliath's harsh reaction had with Thailog.) Underneath that think the whole thing made her anxious. I do not think as of "The Journey" she had as yet gone down to meet Delilah.
9. Whoah, you're getting ahead of yourself...
Jeremy writes...
First i would like to say that GARGOYLES was the best show i have ever seen.My first question is have you got any new offers on bringing back the series?Have you tried HBO they picked up spawn which is another kick ass show?I think they would jump at gargoyles and it would give you more freedom.If hbo did pick up gargoyles would the story's be more risky using adult themes such as drug use,swearing,nudity or murder.I personaly would love to see the saga shift into a more adult series.
Greg responds...
First off, no. No one has suggested bringing the show back except me. HBO isn't likely to want it, or to get it for that matter even assuming they did want it. They didn't "pick up" Spawn, they were the ones who brought it to the screen in the first place.
As to whether the show would get "more adult" if we had the non-broadcast freedom to be, the answer would generally be "no". I think the show appeals to adults now, without adding gratuitous elements. I wouldn't shy away from doing a drug story if I had a good story to tell about drugs. Adding curse words and nudity for their own sake doesn't interest me. I like nudity as much as the next guy, but it would have to fit. We basically showed Fox nude at the end of "Eye of the Beholder", because it made sense that she'd have no clothes on after her transformation. But I'm not out to arouse anyone. As for murder, hey, been there, done that.
The show's the show. I'd love to have freedom from standards and practices, but I won't ignore my own standards.
On the other hand, the show might get more mature, in the sense that Goliath and Elisa's relationship would continue to mature. That doesn't mean we'd be showing them engaged in sex acts, but we'd deal maturely with inter-species romance. At least I'd hope so.
Johnny C. Wu writes...
With the popularity of DVDs hitting the market, and such animated shows such as "Batman Beyond" episodes being released on DVDs, will you be able to release any of the "Gargoyles" episodes on DVD? Or is it only up to Disney to decide on that?
Greg responds...
Disney. I don't even work for them anymore.
Siren writes...
Hey Greg,
I know you said Disney has the rights to Gargs, but isn't there a way to still write Gargoyle books for Disney?... and they still get their all mighty buck.
Greg responds...
If we can get Disney interested.
Anonymous writes...
Greg;
1) So if Disney owns the rights to gargoyles, and they are basically forgetting them, why do they want to hold on to the rights?
2) For 250,000,000 would they sell the rights?
3) If someone bought the rights, owened them, and aked you to created whatever you wanted with them, (IE the Master Plan, Pendragon, time Dancer, Etc.) Would you accept? I mean would you go ahead and make new shows, Etc.?
ALL IN THEORY, OF COURSE...
Greg responds...
1. Who said they've forgotten about it? They air the show EVERY night on ToonDisney. And they're developing a Live-Action movie based on it.
2. I'm not gonna dignify this. Sorry.
3. Of course. Let me know when you've raised the cash.
Phil writes...
Hi, Greg
Great show, etc.
Living in the Midwest, I am completely ignorant about Hollywood politics. Please forgive me if I'm being to presumptious or just plain stupid.
Do you still have any contacts at Disney? What I mean is: Are you sitting by the phone (doing other work, of course) waiting for Disney to call you out of the blue? Or do you contact them periodically? It seems they need someone to remind them that they have a hot property in "Gargoyles." They should also be reminded/informed that you have up to seven animated series in various stages of development ranging from "very advanced" to "near complete."
Thanks for your time.
Greg responds...
I know a few random people at Disney, but I'm definitely not waiting for them to call me, out of the blue or otherwise. Gary Sperling is on the new Tarzan series, and he offered me a script assignment, but I'm too busy on 3X3 right now.
They know about Gargoyles, but it's just a bit underappreciated right now.
Alan Coleman Waltrip writes...
Okay... I know people have asked you this 1,001 times, but it's about a book deal... I mean, Disney does own a publishing company... hell, they more or less own the world. I feel the only reason they don't approach you for anything is that Disney is falling futhur and futhur towards simply a children's media outlet. Think about it, Princess Monoke and Fatasia 2000 were either hardly advertised or shown in such limited release that no one was able to see it. They denounced Kevin Smith's Dogma (which was originally produced under Miramax), which is one of the greatest films I've ever seen.
So, why don't you think the Disney executives don't try to target a more adult audience? Sure, there are early to mid 1990s shows and movies (The Lion King, Gargoyles, to name a few) that do appeal to a more adult audience, but with things coming out such as The Tigger Movie, I don't think Disney realizes what they're missing out on.
Okay, so that was more of a rant than a question, but I'd still like to hear your response...
Greg responds...
I'd like to rant and rave, but it's of limited value. Certain projects are targeted to certain markets. It's ridiculous to think of the Tigger Movie as proof of anything vis-a-vis Gargoyles -- as if we weren't making episodes of Winnie the Pooh at the same time we were making Gargoyles, at the same time we were making Schnookums & Meat, etc.
I haven't seen Dogma, so I can't comment on that, and I also haven't seen Sixth Sense, which was a Touchstone film, but from what I understand, that was a fairly intelligent movie targeted at a non-kid audience. And they're still developing the Garg live-action movie, so they haven't exactly given up on squeezing a dime outta the property.
Disney sees a value in Gargoyles, but not the value. We aim to change their mind. At this moment, for no particular reason, I'm confident that we will eventually succeed.
J.F.K writes...
I read earlier that you were pretty much going to ignore
all episodes of the goliath chronicles if you ever got to
do Gargoyles again. Personally I don`t think you should
ignore all of them, there were a couple of good ones in
there like the episode where Hudson fought the Quarymen
blind (forget the name of the episode) and the final episode
which I thought was a great episode.
Greg responds...
I'm sorry, but I wasn't a big fan of either of those. Particularly the last one.
Part of the problem was that the staff of Chronicles took springboards I came up with and then went WAY south with them. If I don't ignore those stories, it prevents me from doing the stories I had planned on doing. If that sets us up for comparison with more sophisticated fans who have seen both, I can live with that.
But at the moment, I'm just blue-skying. Haven't made any final decisions. And obviously won't until reality presents itself.
Wing writes...
I'm just responding to your ramblings on 1/24. This is like a conversation type format, right? Just not Novel type.
<<And, honestly, how many of you thought -- even at the very end of "Hunter's Moon, Part Two" -- that we'd REALLY blow up the clock tower? Did you anticipate that the Gargs would wind up back at the castle with Xanatos or was that a surprise? For that matter, in season one, how many of you would have thought we'd have moved them out of the castle in the first place? "Enter Macbeth" represented a defeat of sort for our heroes. Did you see that coming? >>
I'm kind of dense, actually, so I really didn't see that [the blowing up of the clock tower] coming. The first time I saw that it really was shocking. The commercial break was really a good time to think whether or not those missiles were actually going to cause large kaboom of building. Moving out of the castle wasn't as much of a shock, because Xanatos owned it, and as nobody knew gargoyles existed, they couldn't fight his return. As to the means, you caught me there.
As to internet for further Gargoyle explanations, why not? Everybody's going dot com these days. Just put under the big bold Gargoyles in the intro www.gargoyles.com :p
BTW Gargoyles had a sort of Sixth Sense factor that I theorize could've hurt the ratings. The first time you seee an episode everything is mysterious and shocking. The second time around its analyzing everything to see if it flows and everything is accurate. The third time you see if you can catch anything new. The fourth time you sit back and enjoy it. The fifth time it starts to get old, depending on the time gap inbetween four and five. In other words, would you pay to see Sixth Sense much beyond the fourth time? I think if Disney handle Gargoyles like Fox handled the Digimon series it would have lasted longer.
(Show episodes in order on weekdays, with a different running on the weekend. New episodes aired on weekends with commercials at the end of weekday episodes.) Do you agree with my evaluation at any point?
Greg responds...
I've never seen Sixth Sense, though I know the gimmick.
I've also never seen Digimon. And I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make about how they air it. We tried as much as possible to air the show in order. Are you saying that was a bad idea? It seems to me that any series might get a bit tired by the fifth viewing (particularly if you just saw it for the fourth time recently). I'm glad that it holds up for four viewings, and is the kind of show that you can come back to after a while and enjoy all over again. Are you saying that Digimon plays better after five viewings? Or are you saying that what works there is that they show new episodes on the weekend? (Cause trust me, I'd love to be making new episodes, but that isn't an option right now.)
Kraken writes...
Hello mr. Weisman!
Some friends and I were discussing about cartoons and animation the other day. They said that they didn't like Gargoyles because there wasn't enough action and it wasn't fast enough. I argued that Gargoyles had great animation and awesome stories. They replied by saying that stories don't sell these days. I had to agree with that last reply; today we see cartoons with little intelligence with lots of violence. It's a shame that they are the ones that are popular.
So I came up with this question, if Gargoyles or any of the spin-offs were to be brought back, would you make any changes to the orginal Gargoyles we knew? Stories will no doubt be present, but will there be more and faster action?
Thanks.
Greg responds...
I hardly think there's a lack of action in the current gargoyles, no matter what your friends say. I love action. I just like it to be intelligent.
And as I've said <sigh> oh, so many times before, I made the show I wanted to make. If I had the opportunity to do it again, I would attempt to do the same. I have no regrets.
As to stories not selling... I don't necessarily agree with that assessment. But even if I did, I wouldn't sink to participating in the deterioration. I'm a story-teller. That's what I do. What would be the point of me doing the show if I wasn't doing that?
"Faster action?"
Man Mountain writes...
I just read your anecdote about meeting Jonathan Frakes and had two questions:
1) Have you ever thought about "recruiting" some of the more notable actors from Gargoyles to help bring the show back? (I realize that its not as simple as it may sound)
2) Is Shiri Appleby as sweet and adorable in person as she appears to be on screen?
Greg responds...
1. Not as simple? I'm not even sure what that means. Explain to me how that would work and I'll dive right in and get started.
2. Well, I can hardly say that I've met her, so I can hardly comment on her personality. I literally bumped into her and she was very gracious during the three seconds I was apologizing. She has a beautiful smile, and I was graced with that. And, yes, I was a bit smitten in that moment. So based on only that, I'll answer, yes. She is as sweet and adorable in person as she appears to be on screen. At least to the best of my knowledge.
Bengali writes...
1.If Gargoyles gets back on the air what are the chances of you becoming the producer again?.
2.Also if it gets back on the air, what are the chances of it having the same voices as the original?.
Greg responds...
1. Very good, I would think.
2. Very good, I would think.
Ashley E. writes...
Hi Greg My name is Ashley and I am the biggest fan of Gargoyles you will ever see. I cried when I found this page I have seen Gargoyle Series every single time it's been out and I miss you guys soooooo Much. I realy hope with all my heart that you guys bring it back. PLEASE!!!!! I thought that this cartoon was the best one ever made. I really want you guys to go on and on and on... How much would it cost to buy the rights from Walt Disney and start it yourself? Was it your baby from the start or was it there Idea? I read what you said about Titus how would I be able to see it and where can I get it??? Anyways I really miss you guys.. My favorite part was "The Hunter" Part 3 Where Alisa kissed Goliath, that was the best!!! Thank you for hours of absolute pleasure.
Greg responds...
Ashley,
What a wonderful post. Thank you.
Disney would never sell the rights, and if they did, lowly me could never afford to buy them. And no one's sorrier about that than I am.
Gargoyles was definitely my baby. (Still is.) Though many, many people participated in raising it to be the child that you saw on television. The basic ideas were mine, but it was very collaborative, extremely collaborative. And in any case, we were all working for Disney, so they own it, lock stock and gargoyle.
As for Titus, well I saw it in a movie theater. It's rated R (or should be) and I don't know how old you are or where you live, so I don't know if it's in your local theaters or whether you should be allowed in or not.
Eventually, it'll be on home video.
Chris writes...
If they were to bring back the series, would it pick up where the last episode of gargoyles left off, or would it be sometime later?
Greg responds...
My current thinking is that it would pick up where I left off. That is in 1996. I wouldn't flag that to new viewers, but you guys could come here and find out approximate dates. Eventually (and relatively swiftly), I'd bring everything current. But I'd hate to miss out telling the stories that would have taken place immediately after "The Journey", and I don't believe that nothing at all happened over the last four years.
And, yes, that's a cheat, but I think it's the best possible solution. At least, the best I can think of now.
Craychek writes...
Hey Greg, if you do manage to get Gargoyles or one of the spin offs(I would prefer Gargoyles 2158, but that's my opinion) would you use the same animation team that did the animation for the first two seasons of Gargoyles?
Greg responds...
I'm not sure we could gather the exact same people. And we had multiple teams in multiple countries. Some did a better job than others. Or are you talking about Pre-Production?
Zephram Cochran writes...
If there's a new series, would Johnathan Frakes and the other voice actors from Star Trek: TNG be making appearances/coming back?
Greg responds...
I would certainly hope we could get all of our old cast back (with the obvious exceptions of the late Roddy McDowell and Ed Gilbert).
Julie Cavignac writes...
Greg, Is it possible to buy ALL of the Gargoyles Episodes? I would like to have the complete colletion in chronological order...problem is, since it now only airs on Toon Disney (which I have no hopes of getting where I live) is there any place I can purchase the aired collection????
PLEASE RESPOND. I want to know if you actually GOT this question. :-)
Greg responds...
I got the question. As to you being able to buy all 66 episodes on video:
Not legally. As far as I know, only the first season is on video tape. The five-part pilot cut together as a movie. And then the following eight episodes on four additional tapes. And finding those five videos might take some effort at this point.
But if you post requests in the comment room, there are, I believe, many people willing to tape the show for you for the price of the blank videos and postage.
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