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Jimmy writes...
What do you think the chances are of reviving the gargoyles series?
If you don't manage to revive it did you ever think of pitching to another company using the same characters shamelessly copied but changed to avoid lawsuits?
If you ultimately fail to make it a reality, would you ever consider releasing a series of original novels set in the universe?
Greg responds...
Long term, not bad. Short term, dismal.
No. For starters it wouldn't work, and I'm actually not that dishonest. Sorry.
I'd love to do original novels. Know any interested publishers?
John writes...
Hi Greg,
In an awnser, you've written some days ago, yoe've mentioned something, that got my interrest:
>>If anyone's confused about contradictions between TGC and the new stuff, they can check out the internet site that we will have to clarify all this stuff.<<
Well, in my memory, you've never mentioned this site, and I've also found no post or ramble about it. Can you please tell something about it?
OK, that's all. have a nice day.
CU, John
Greg responds...
Did you read the entire post or just the part you quoted?
I was talking about IF the series went back on the air, then we'd have a website to clarify all this stuff.
Or you can just ask questions here.
Anonymous writes...
You realize of course that giving us vague information on future gargoyle stories and the six spinoffs only hypes gargoyles beyond proportion making it impossible for you to satisfy your audience or at least those who have read about the master plan. I mean some people are expecting your to deliver something rivaling Babylon 5 which is nearly impossible and also TGS and the other fanfics are also setting your vision so if you do something which will make the fanfic universes appear off track like that owen being puck thing then you'll alienate a lot of hardcore fans. Example of this is Star Wars fans who grew up on the sequel novels and comics which is in someway fan fanfiction since they aren't exactly canon are demanding the appearances or cameos of novel or comic characters in the prequel movies or the legitimazation of the non canon novels and comics.
1.Do you understand what I am talking about?
2.Have I changed your mind about revealing more secrets of the gargoyles universe?
Greg responds...
1. I understand exactly what you're talking about and it's a fear of mine. But what's the alternative? Seriously? What?
2. I'm moody. Sometimes I'm in the mood, sometimes I'm not. I've given away too much already to pretend that stopping now will chill the effect you're discussing.
On the other hand, almost EVERYONE knows that I have a policy to not read any FANFICTION including TGS, so I don't think anyone's expecting, say, Jericho (who I've heard of but never read about) to appear in Gargoyles should it come back. I'm not going to legitimize anyone's anything except my own, because I can't. The fans know this. So I'm not particularly worried about alienating them by not including their creations.
On the other hand, disappointing them is a very real possibility.
As for 'rivaling Babylon 5' -- I'm uninterested in competing. All I want is to have a chance to tell my stories. Some of the shock value, the surprise, is gone. But if you liked how I told the first 66 stories, than I think you'll like how I tell the rest. Even if you're more aware of what's coming.
Phil writes...
Another little ramble.
The last page of the Gargoyles 2198 proposal is more about the business side of the show. You wrote that WB has DC and Marvel is piecing out its characters; Disney has nothing to compete, "but Gargoyles was designed to be that competition."
I've been thinking about that statement and it does seem odd to me that Gargoyles is one of the few properties that Disney isn't taking full advantage of. Their animated features have be released and re-released on video and it seems that every new release is followed relatively quickly by a direct-to-video sequel and/or an animated series. They're even giving the sequel treatment to classics like Lady and the Tramp and Cinderella.
I wonder what it is about Gargoyles that prevents Disney from giving it similar treatment.
Greg responds...
Well, you don't see Darkwing getting that treatment either.
There generally hasn't been as much support for believing in their tv properties.
Also, I think they still, STILL, don't quite no what to make of or do with Gargoyles.
Do I believe they are missing a bet? Absolutely. But the climate to change their minds hasn't surfaced yet.
Meteo writes...
Dear Me. Weisman,
You recently mentioned that the most pragmatic thing to do currently would be to petition Disney for a DVD release. Who and/or what departments at Disney would you suggest writing to? Thank you!
Greg responds...
I'm not 100% sure, actually.
Buena Vista Home Video, perhaps.
Walt Disney Television Animation.
Starting points...
zakhur writes...
I know you've been asked this before, but because I don't know if it has changed, what else can fans do, to try to get Gargoyles back?
Greg responds...
As I've said, the best thing they can do is attend the Gatherings. Nothing tops that.
But if anyone wants to initiate a worldwide snail mail letter campaign, I'd currently emphasize putting the series out on DVD. That's a realistic short term goal that would contribute to our overall goal.
Sloth writes...
Do you consider the Gargoyles show to have come to enough of a close to be carried on by Spin offs, or would you want to tie off more lose ends? Basicly I asking if the show came back, would you rap up Gargoyles, or go straight to Timedancer or Pendragon?
Greg responds...
Well, for starters I'd take what I could get. I'd love to do more Gargoyles AND TimeDancer AND Pendragon AND etc.
(handel)Luna Wyvern writes...
Why was Gargoyles canceled off the air?
Will it ever be on ever again?
Can I do something about this situation?
Greg responds...
Start by taking a look at the archives for a good answer.
At this point, I might suggest that the most pragmatic thing people could do is to petition Disney for a DVD release. Politely.
Q writes...
Will the gargoyles series ever be available on DVD?
Greg responds...
I hope so.
Rob Irwin (the Sloth) writes...
1. were all the episodes in TGC a "mutation" of your ideas.
2. You said before that if the show started agian, you would discard these eps. Does this mean you would use the same ideas that were put in thoes shows but make it the way you wanted to?
Greg responds...
1. It seemed that way. Though some were mutated to the point of unrecognizability.
2. I think so.
Wingedbeast writes...
With regards to bringing back Gargoyles episodes.
A. I'm all for your choide to get rid of TGC. The show went way downhill from that, probably because Disney decided story arc and evolving characters was too much quality.
B. To who's ass do I email a kick saying "Bring Gargoyles back into production"?
Greg responds...
Well, no one. NOt with that attitude. A hostile letter is going to be ignored as a crank. If you're interested in helping, then a reasoned appeal might help a little. But an organized letter writing campaign would help more. NOTE: Letters. Not e-mails.
Blah writes...
Okay... I know that you mostly thought up Gargoyles, but it is essentially owned by Disney right?
You've said that you had this grand plan to continue Gargoyles and have a bunch of nifty spin offs and such, and that you still hope for this to happen one day. What my real question is, if Gargoyles does eventually get the chance to be continued, would the company producing it *have* to be Disney, or could another company not associated with Disney take over?
Greg responds...
It's not essentially owned by Disney.
IT IS FLAT-OUT OWNED BY DISNEY.
It would have to be Disney unless Disney allowed someone else to do it. Realistically, the latter won't happen.
kim writes...
why don't you put the show on ABC.Because some people that hade Toon D. and loved Gargoyles and don't have it no more. wuold greatly like it if you would put the show on ABC or CBS. the bigest fan of gargoyles please!!! please:)
Greg responds...
Not up to me. Right? Not. Up. To. Me.
I'm glad you're a big fan. But you might try reading the archives on "Bringing Gargoyles Back".
Lilly writes...
why don't you put the show on ABC
Greg responds...
Why don't you? You've got as much clout as I do, certainly.
MR writes...
Where are reruns of Gargoyles shown in New York City?
Greg responds...
Toon Disney, maybe?
Sapphire writes...
Wouldn't it be cool if gargoyles was done in amine?
Greg responds...
Do you mean "anime" or maybe "mime"?
And what exactly do you mean by that? Do you want bigger eyes?
Cleo writes...
Do you think Gargoyles will ever come back on the air?and if so will there be more episodes on the Goliath-Elisa relationship? P.S.Gargoyles ROCK!
Greg responds...
Yes, I hope so, and yes, I hope so.
Jim R. writes...
I agree with Chris Maune's post. Gargoyles on the Cartoon Network would be a great thing! It would give a chance for some healthy "American animation" to replace some of that mindless Japanese anime that is polluting the minds of our younger generations in the Toonami block. Kids these days just don't know good cartoons when they see them...
Greg responds...
If you say so.
Chris Maune writes...
As you have mentioned in your responses before, Disney would never sell the rights to Gargoyles to another network (and I am not saying I would want them to), but would they let another network air episodes of a Disney produced Gargoyles?
You have mentioned before that Toon Disney does not currently have the budget to air original series and it does not look to me like the current Disney Channel line-up has anywhere Garoyles would really fit in. It seems Gargoyles would fit in well thought in something like Cartoon Network's Toonami block (I know you said before Gargoyles on Cartoon Network would never happen, but that was almost a year and a half ago). Since Disney let USA air Gargoyles before do you think there is any chance Disney would allow Gargoyles to air on Cartoon Network now (and vice-versa that there is any chance Cartoon Network would air a Disney produced series)?
I was wondering if there was a chance if it would be any help to petition, etc. Cartoon Network's Toonami, or somewhere else, to order episodes/new episodes of Gargoyles to air from Disney. (I would come to The Gathering if I could, maybe in a couple years when I have some money)
Also, I wanted to apoligize for not labeling my last post Gargoyles 2198 Contest.
Thank you!
Greg responds...
Actually Toon Disney will soon be airing their first "original" series, i.e. non-rerun series: TARZAN. Based on the movie, it's an action show with humor. If it does well, that may open up opportunities.
But I don't see any real chance that Disney will allow another corporate entity to air original episodes based on characters that are their property. Briefly letting the reruns go to USA is one thing. Taking the chance that someone else will have a smash with their property (thus making them look foolish) is something else.
Matt writes...
Hey, is there any chance of the gargoyles show being brought back to life?
Thanks.
Greg responds...
Yes. See the archive entitled: "Bringing Gargoyles Back".
Baal writes...
At times, have you considered NOT working on new Gargoyles stuff and just leaving the series as is? I would understand if you gave up, tho I'd be a little disappointed (among others). It would be a shame, but thats life. Tho it seems like you've come close already with one of the spin offs.
Greg responds...
Sometimes I think it would be more healthy if I just gave up. Then if it came back it would be a pleasant surprise.
But I can't give up. Just can't.
Vic writes...
If the Gargoyles property was bought from disney by some other company, if they asked you to work on it, would you? Would there be certain stipulations?
Greg responds...
Yes, of course I would. But that's NEVER going to happen.
SEM writes...
Given what you learned from STARSHIP TROOPERS and MAX STEEL -- if you were told that you could do GARGOYLES again but only if it could be done in 3D Animation would you? Do you think GARGOYLES could even work in 3D?
(I know it's a hypothetical, but this was the main selling point that got VOLTRON back on the air after 10 years as VOLTRON: THE THIRD DIMENSION for 26 episodes.)
BTW for the person who asked what program MAX STEEL is rendered in -- I know Netter Digital (now defunct) used Lightwave, and that Foundation Imaging used Lightwave for season one (as well as for the work they did on STARSHIP TROOPERS). I presume its still being used for the current season but not sure. Lightwave's major competitor is a program called Maya.
Sorry if I wandered too far off topic, Greg, but since I knew this came up thought I'd answer it for the archives.
Greg responds...
Yes, I think Gargoyles could work in 3-D. And if that was my only option for bringing it back, I'd jump at the chance.
If I had multiple options, however, I'd use the animation style that best suited the subject matter of the series.
Anonymous writes...
I was just wondering.
1) In the event Gargoyles makes a come back would you try to re-do the episodes from "TGC" that still held basic ideas that you wanted to work with?
I read that some of the episodes were actually supposed to happen, but that they were made differently.
2) Or would those episodes just be considered spilt milk?
Thank you
Greg responds...
1. One way or another, yes. But they were so different, you might not even be aware I was REDOING. For example, if I hadn't told you about the connection, would you recognize "TimeDancer" in "Runaway".
2. Yeah, that too.
Greg James writes...
Hi there
You have a lot of questions to answer already so I'll try to be brief but I doubt I'll succeed.
How did the Gargoyles series come to Disney? Did you aproach them?
Also, Disney has cancelled some fantastic shows in the past, what was the reason for them cancelling Gargoyles, and will it ever come back in series or movie form?
On www.imdb.com there is a Gargoyles movie with the date 1999 on it but no other info? Which one is this?
Lastly, I think we should storm the Disney execs and get them to release the Gargoyles series and movies on Special edition DVD'S! Sometimes I just can't understand their thinking!
Thanks
Greg responds...
I was already working for Disney as a development executive when my team and I created and developed the show.
As to why it was cancelled and whether it will come back...
I've answered that so many times. Did you even glance at the archives?
Briefly, it was cancelled because the syndication package was complete and the third season (on ABC) performed poorly in the ratings. And I do hope it will come back and am working conscientiously to bring it back.
I don't know what imdb.com is. So I have no response to that question.
"Storming" isn't such a good idea. But petitions wouldn't hurt. But I'll tell you, the best thing you can do is to attend the Gargoyles convention this June in Los Angeles. If we get a high enough attendance, we'll invite the Disney Execs and let them see first hand what a huge following the series has.
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