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well Todd, if you are not going to ask it, i guess i will...
in "Legion" when Coldstone first arrives at the Clocktower, Bronx is growling. Iago hasn't come to the surface yet, so is Bronx growling cuz he has something against Coldstone or robots/cyborgs, or does he sense the evil one inside Coldstone or what?
I guess the latter. I'd have to look at it again.
Greg, in a reply to matt's question you said Boudicca is older than Bronx. But how could that be since Bronx was with the rest of the clan in 994 A.D. and I'm guessing Boudicca is a beast which hatched with the rest of the garg eggs that were taken to Avalon? How could Boudicca be older than Bronx if this is true? I would not think that is should have to do with anything about how time passes more slowly on Avalon either, because logically Bronx would still be older or about the same age even though he was stone for a 1000 years.
Boudicca is biologically older than Bronx. Bronx is chronologically older than Boudicca.
Boudicca is the same biological age as Angela, who is approximately the same biological age as the Trio. (Though CHRONOLOGICALLY, the Trio is MUCH older.)
Bronx is chronologically twenty years younger than the Trio. Biologically ten years younger. Which makes him approximately ten biological years younger than Boudicca.
Whew!
you've said numerous times that Bronx mated and will mate again with Boidekka, but since Bronx was born a generation after the trio wouldn't he be way to young to mate? if the fertility cycle is different for beasts than can they mate and concieve more often in life than the standard gargoyles? i understand that Boidekka, being older than Bronx, is probably able to concieve, but Bronx just seems too young. does it matter that he is male, as in males can mate and concieve earlier in life than females?
Again, it depends how you're defining "mated". Do you mean "take a mate"? Do you mean "produce offspring"? Do you mean "have intercourse"?
Boudicca is older than Bronx. But Beasts mature faster than Gargoyles. The cycle is the same, but the maturity rate is different. Bronx is an adult and has been for years.
1. Does the clan ever give Bronx a bath?
2. Does he smell like a dog after a while?
1. Sure.
2. Why would he?
what did you imagine the other Avalon beast (besides Boudikka) looks like? more like Bronx, perhaps a biological relative, younger sister? i don't suppose you know the name of this beast, do you? if so, what is its name? why didn't Bronx go for this beast over Boudikka, or did he mate with both? did Boudikka just smell better, or not smell like a biological relative, or is Boudikka more attractive in a non-olfatory way to Bronx?
Ahh, who can explain this crazy little thing called love?
You've said that gargoyles concieve eggs every twenty years and the eggs take ten years to hatch. What are the intervals for gargoyle beasts?
The same.
Dear Greg,
You mentioned that Bronx and Boudicca are mates, and that they will mate again. Will any from the Avalon clan (Including Boudicca) go to Manhattan?
Thanx
Boudicca's already been once.
There may be exchange programs worked out in the future.
in response to JESS, i've admitted that Bronx is more intelligent and emotional than your average dog, but pride is a big emotion! we've seen Bronx show love and fear but if you look at any animal you can see signs of love and fear that doesn't mean they are capable of emotion, just instinct. what i'm asking you, Greg, is Bronx capable of emotion or are all his actions based on instinct or training?
These don't seem mutually exclusive to me.
This is a general comment not a question, sorry.
matt writes about bronx not being able to feel pride ...
if he's comparing bronx to a dog, i know for a fact some dogs have a sense of humour, and can get jelous - so why not pride ??
also bronx seems to show considerable intelligence in the series, and to understand, pretty much, what is being said.
( cue "why not pride" question again!)
OK here's one for you, greg - does he?
Don't see why not.
at the end of "hound of Ulster" Goliath says that Bronx has a right to be proud of himself. now, i like Bronx and i think he is smarter and at times more emotional than your average dog but he is still an animal and i don't quite see how he can feel pride. maybe love, and fear, and loyalty, but pride???
My dog, and certainly my cats, definitely demonstrate something at times that looks a hell of a lot like pride to me. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
(matt, this post is such a disappointment.... :)
I was just reading your latest "early development documents", and noticed that in one of them, Bronx was depicted as flying about. Did he actually have wings in this stage of the development?
(I also noticed that he was definitely even more omnivorous in those documents than I'd expected - actually eating a fire hydrant and a nunchaku? I hadn't seriously thought that even he would classify them as food).
He had wing-shaped ears, which he could flap quickly like a humming bird. This resulted in lifting him a few inches off the ground. But he also had a mace-shaped tail, which weighed him down enough to prevent him from flying or even fully hovering.
about how many garg beasts are left in the world in 1996? closer to 10 or 100.
Closer to 100.
One little piece in your "Names" ramble that puzzled me - the description of Bronx (or the character that would become Bronx) as "angst-ridden". I must confess that Bronx never seemed "angst-ridden" to me. (Actually, most of the time, it's rather difficult to say what might be going on in Bronx's head). Or was that description meant to be an ironic one?
Our original thinking on Bronx was much more comic, much more comic-relief. (Todd, you just gotta come to a Gathering and see the original pitch art and the original design of the character.)
Frank Paur was instrumental in transforming Bronx (first visually, the rest followed) into the beast we know and love.
Hello Greg
You said that Bronx and Boudicca were mates and would mate but you posted that Bronx in 9 at the end of 1996 and since Boudicca is from Angela's rookery you said she would be 20 at the end of 1996.
So my questions are
1) Can Gargoyle Beasts mate at 9 years old?
2) If yes to question 1 why didn't Boudicca already mate?
1. Yes.
2. Cycles.
1) Ed previously asked how old Cagney was, and you asked "when?". So how old was he at the end of "The Journey"?
2a) Sadly, cats have nowhere near the lifespan of gargoyle beasts, and eventually, Cagney will pass away. Do you think Elisa would get another pet to replace him? b) Bronx is sort of the gargoyles' pet, but does Elisa consider him a little like her pet as well?
3a) How many offspring will Bronx and Boudicca have? b) Do all the pups stay with their mother on Avalon, or will any join their father in Manhattan? c) Will the other female beast that you said lived on Avalon also have a pup at the same time as Boudicca?
1. About three.
2a. Don't know yet. Maybe.
2b. Not exactly. Like your best friend's pet.
3a. One for starters.
3b. With the Avalon clan for starters.
3c. Most likely.
You've mentioned that Bronx wouldn't be hatched when DARK AGES began. Would he have been hatched later down the line in the series?
---Ytt
Yes. If we lasted long enough. Dark Ages starts in 971. Bronx hatches in 978. But in my dreams, we'd run the Dark Ages series for 23 years... from 971 to 994.
1) Given your habit of recycling names back into the show, I was wondering if you had plans of reusing the name "Tribeca" that you had originally assigned to Bouddica?
2) Who came up with the name and how? I just found out that Tribecca is a place in NY. It makes me wonder why you were going to give that name to a beast from Avalon, though.
1. That was Brynne's name (or Lydia's) not mine. So it's less desperate to get attention in my head. But anything's possible, and that kind of thing amuses me. So who knows?
2. I never was. It would have made no sense. It was just a place-holder in a script where the beast was seen but not named in dialogue. It gave us another couple weeks to come up with an actual name.
what is the average lifespan of a gargoyle beast?
are multipule births more common among gargoyle beast?
Hard to say given the lack of grand old gargoyle beasts around. But I'd say about 160-180 years.
No.
How old is Cagney? :)
When?
About what percentage of the gargoyle population (at Wyvern 994, if not worldwide) is comprised of beasts, like Bronx and Boudicca?
Worldwide, ten percent, I guess.
But the question is strange. Like asking "About what percentage of the human population is comprised of chimpanzees?"
Hi again, Greg!
Do gargoyle beasts mate for life like sentient gargoyles do? You've said that Bronx and Boudicca have mated and will mate again. Does this preclude them from mating with other beasts they may meet? (Poor Bronx, stuck in a long distance relationship.)
Thanks for your time.
Yes. Basically.
Rewriting an older questions...About cat-goyles. Bad phrasing and all. What I meant was, Bronx is a gargoyles beast with dog-like attibutes. He barks, growls, pants, etc. I was wondering if there were any cat-like gargoyle beasts? Gargoyle beasts that purred, hissed, cleaned themselves, etc.
Maybe...
Dear Greg,
Some questions on Garg Beasts:
1) You've pretty well established that most Gargoyle Clans have Garg Beasts in the community. But are there any wild or feral (i.e. returned to the wild when their Clans died out) Garg Beasts? Presumably it would be challenging for a pair in tbe wild to protect themselves and their eggs, but since the eggs go to stone in the daytime, too, nothing much but humans could destroy them, so some might have survived in remote regions.
2) Do you know how far back Gargoyles domesticated Garg Beasts? Around the same time as humans began domesticating dogs, or earlier?
Thanks for a wonderful show, and hope to make the LA Gathering next year.
1. Maybe.
2. Earlier.
Say hi at the Gathering.
Hi Greg,
To refresh your memory, you answered the following question posted by Slylar on 7/26/00.
Question:
More a comment than a question: When once one person asked, if there are any cat-like or just dog-like gargoylebeasts, I think he meant more the looking than the behavior *g*
Answer:
Does Bronx really look like any dog you know or does his behavior make him seem more dog-like?
I would like to add my comments about Bronx. To me, his appearance and mannerisms are very much like that of a English bulldog; except that most modern bulldogs are generally unaggressive. Most of his gentle moments are matched by the actions of my own bulldogs.
The primary comparison, which I think is why most people think of him as a gardog or doggoyle etc., is in how he looks. Bronx has the extended lower jaw, the very heavy chest with slender hindquarters, and the stubby tail that one normally associates with an English bulldog. I was surprised when in "The Mirror" Puck changed him into an Irish Wolfhound. As you said in one of your rambles, "a bulldog might have been more reminiscent", though less of a threat; the bulldogs I've known would have just knocked Puck over and covered him with slobber.
I liked the animation sequence was at the end of Leader of the Pack where Bronx was howling as the water got closer to him. That was extremely cute. I also thought it particularly significant that it was Goliath that came back for him. Of course, as leader, he should have, since Bronx is part of the clan; but it also shows that Goliath has that special affection for Bronx that we humans have for our own pets.
Well, I won't deny Bronx's doggy qualities. My point was simply that he's more beast than dog. More Gargoyle than dog. We're trying to keep them a separate species. Not simply model them on other animals. There are obvious exceptions, Griff, Leo, Una, Zafiro. And there may be other exceptions as well, but frankly, I'd have to see the justification in architecture or legend. I'm not going to simply start creating Zebra-goyles, Giraffe-goyles and Ostritch-Goyles.
I read one of the early memos you just posted, and this bit in particular : "Bronx, the gargoyle-dog does not have wings. His ears allow him to hover a bit for short periods of time."
I really have to wonder. How the hell were you envisioning this? His *ears* allow him to hover? He flies with his *ears*? Was this some kind of Dumbo reference? I'm really amazed that something like this would have been thought of in the dramatic version of gargoyles.... :-)
You have to see the art. And you CAN -- by attending any GATHERING. (Heck, Aris, I know L.A. and Greece are far apart, but you really don't want to miss out. And, hey, we've had people come from Japan, Israel, Ireland, Germany, Belgium, England and Kissimee. Start planning now.)
Anyway, Paul Felix's drawing of Bronx was so funny, we didn't care if the tone was slightly off. Bronx would be a bit more of a comic relief character. But Frank came in and disagreed. And he was right, of course. But man, what a great drawing.
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