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Michael Broder writes...
When did Robin, Livewire, Stargirl, Looker, and Windfall join the Outsiders?
Greg responds...
Robin/Tim Drake joined the Outsiders sometime between September and November of Team Year Nine. The other four joined in December of Team Year Nine.
Anonymous writes...
You've revealed here that Batwoman, Elongated Man, Fire, and Magog all debuted as heroes in Team Year Six. Would you be willing to reveal the order within that year that they debuted?
Greg responds...
Nope. That would give away designations. And we try to reveal those within the show (or comic) organically.
Anonymous writes...
A) How does Ollie even afford to be a vigilante in Star City if he is lower middle class? How does he make up for out of pocket expenses like healthcare or his weapon storage vaults? Does he have an inheritance that he is using for his vigilante activities and a small earning (as you mentioned) from somewhere that he uses for his day to day expenses?
A.1) How is the loss of one of his Vaults in episode 5 not a huge loss for him?
B) I thought that Roys trust fund (that was set up by Ollie) was used up in the search for him by Red Arrow? How does he suddenly have a trust fund?
Greg responds...
A. Ollie owns his vaults and didn't lose them when he lost his fortune. Otherwise, he's spending a big part of his income on supplies. But you'll notice he can't afford upkeep on Arrowcars or Arrowplanes, etc.
A1. Who says it's not?
B. Roy's trust fund wasn't used up. It wasn't touched. Will refused to use it once he realized it wasn't his.
Henry writes...
In which state is Geranium City located?
Greg responds...
I don't recall if we ever made that determination.
Davina writes...
1. Did Tim initially join the Outsiders to try to get back with Cassie ?
2. Did they broke up because of the Batman’inc thing ? ( I know it seemed pretty clear in season 3 but I still want a confirmation )
Greg responds...
1. Not soley.
2. Confirmation, though I think it was symptomatic of issues they already had.
Rania writes...
It’s a real shame that you decided to end up Chalant. Even if I believe that’s the worse decision you’ve made regarding this show I can’t blame you for that, it’s still your show and do you do whatever you want after all. But did you really needed to do it like that ? Like breaking their relationship out of nowhere, without any explanation when everything seemed to be perfect in their relationship ? Whenever people ask you why they broke up, your only answer is « no spoilers » and you keep saying that since 2011 but here we are in 2022 like literally 11 YEARS LATER and still not an official answer, all we have are fan theories. Why don’t you just say it ? At this point I’m not even asking you to bring them back just to respond to a simple answer so I can get over this ship PLEASE.
Greg responds...
I mean, the simplest answer is that not every high school relationship lasts into adulthood. Frankly, the fact that we had two couples that did, is already a bit of a stretch. I know it happens - I have an in-law who's married to her high school sweetheart. But most of my friends and relatives are not still coupled with the folks they were happily seeing in their early teens.
If you're looking for some BIG REVELATION as to why they broke up, I don't know that I have one that would satisfy you in a forum like this. It's a story to be told someday. Or a set of stories, really, involving both what brought them together and the many factors (small and large) that ultimately broke them up. I have a notion as to why Dick is a serial monogamist, and why it took someone like Barbara to finally nail him down. And I have notions as to what's going on in Z's love life, as well.
It should be obvious that Dick and Z are still friends, still on good terms, even still attracted to each other. But they've moved on. It's okay if you still mourn that ship, however. I certainly see its appeal. And, in any case, everyone's mileage varies. But we try to let our characters tell us where they're going. And this is what they told us.
Anonymous writes...
1 Why did G. Gordon insult gretchen and her devices on his show if they are both on the same side
2 Have ultra humanite and granny goodness always disliked each other
Greg responds...
1. They're competitive - but he also wanted her to seem sympathetic to the audience.
2. I don't think they've known each other all that long. But I think it was becoming increasingly clear that Granny wasn't fully servicing the Light's agenda nor was she big on obeying the Light's bylaws of cooperation. For her part, I think Granny has some barely hidden contempt for all mortals.
Anonymous writes...
Does Arsenal still act too recklessy when dealing with lex luthor. Or has he managed to keep his anger under control.
Greg responds...
As of when?
Anonymous writes...
Mr. Weisman,
In regards to the Earth-16 version of Thirteen's parents, are their names Terrence "Terry" Thurston and Meihui Lan-Thurston; with the latter's maiden name being Lan?
Greg responds...
You're right about her dad. I'd have to research her mom's name before I could confirm.
Jordan writes...
Was cyborgs Outsider designation D08 before he joined the League? And did the D06 designation get skipped in memory of Brion’s time on the Outsiders?
Greg responds...
Brion's Outsiders designation wasn't skipped in memory of him. It was his before he left the Outsiders. And (with the exception of the hijacked designations briefly assigned to Vandal, Klarion and Teekl), designations are not reused.
And yes, Cyborg had an Outsiders designation before he joined the League, at which point he received a League designation.
As for specific numbers, the policy has generally been not to reveal them outside canon material.
shadow writes...
Are Cissie and Roy friends? Do they get along?
Greg responds...
Yes and yes.
Anonymous writes...
Vandal's design (at least his face) is way more different on season 3. I was surprised to see that he got a new design on season 4, way more similar to how he looked on seasons 1-2. Why did you guys decide to change it back (if we can put it in that way)?
(also, I know you don't like Deathstroke's ponytail from season 2, but everything else on that design is outstanding, can't say I haven't gotten a bit upset because his design wasn't also "changed back" xD)
Greg responds...
It's been a while now, but I think we felt that some of the designs in S3 of YJ may have moved toward the DC Animated movie style, which Phil Bourassa also designed, and we wanted - in S4 - to pull back to some of what we liked better in characters like Vandal and Batman from the first two seasons. But I truly hated that ponytail, so changing Deathstroke back - even changing him back but losing the ponytail - wasn't a priority when we had so many characters to design anew.
Anonymous writes...
When the light picked granny goodness to join them was there concern among that she might sabotage some of their operations for darkseid?
Greg responds...
I think initially it was seen as a cooperative gesture. (Not that Vandal wasn't keeping an eye on her.) But eventually it became clear that their mutual interests could and would diverge.
Nada writes...
Hey Greg, been a fan of your work a long time! Just one thing I'm curious about-
Halo didn't explore being a Muslim until s4, and explicitly said they weren't Muslim in s3. So why is Halo considered Muslim rep in s3? I just don't get what all the arguing is about if Halo wasn't Muslim at all!
Greg responds...
I'm not sure why you're asking me, honestly. I can't take responsibility for the entire internet.
I assume the hijab they continued to wear had something to do with it, but Halo was a new entity and their residual Gabrielleness made them feel more comfortable wearing it than not. And as Madia told them in S4, it's fine for Violet to continue wearing it while they are in the process of making up their mind.
Jack writes...
Before the breakup did Queen Perdita ever saw a picture of Garfield Logan before his hair and skin turned green?
Greg responds...
I'm sure she did at some point.
Suzie writes...
1. How close are Superboy and Black Canary? Do they share a somewhat familial bond and are they still close by season 4?
2. Has Garth moved on from losing Tula or is he still struggling to move on like Artemis did?
3. When exactly did Cyborg join the Justice League and how long was he with the Outsiders before joining the League?
4. When did Conner and Megan graduate and move in together? Year and day please.
Greg responds...
1. They're close. But, familial... no. I wouldn't think so. She's a friend and mentor.
2. I'm not sure what you mean by "moved on". I'm not sure I love that phrase. I'm sure he has good days and bad days.
3. Cyborg joined the Justice League in December of Team Year Nine. He joined the Outsiders in January of that same year.
4. They graduated high school in June, Team Year Two. I don't have a specific date. They graduated college in Team Year Six, but because of the Invasion, they may have graduated late. I don't have a specific date. Sometime after graduating, they moved in to the apartment above Lucas Carr's garage. Again, I don't have a specific date, but they were already living there together by July 29, Team Year Eight.
Mreza writes...
Hello Mr.Weisman
How did bane almost defeat batman in hand to hand combat? Shouldn't batman be more skilled and experienced (If not stronger) than bane? Was he holding back or he is just getting older and is not as good as he used to be?
And sorry about the grammatical mistakes, I am not a native English speaker.
Greg responds...
Why would you think that Batman would be more skilled and experienced than Bane? They have parallel backgrounds, and Bane's been literally fighting for his life since early childhood, i.e. years before Bruce started training in earnest.
Chad writes...
Why did you have Tara say mother of goat instead of mother of God in young justice outsiders?
Greg responds...
It started with Brion, not Tara. And, candidly, it started with Brion's voice actor, Troy Baker, who said it once during a recording session, and we thought it was so funny, we used it and kept using it. Then we decided it was a common (translated) expression in Markovia - a less blasphemous euphemism for Mother of God. So, since Tara is Markovian, it made sense for her to say it, too.
Anonymous writes...
How did you cast Jenifer Lewis? She's not commonly seen doing voice over work. Whose idea was it to cast here? How is she?
Greg responds...
Jamie Thomason suggested her, I believe. (Though, it's been awhile.) And she was great. I haven't seen her since, so I hope she's still doing well.
Ruby writes...
Was the reason you decided to have Shiva and not David Cain be the abusive parent who relentlessly trained Cassandra into being the perfect assassin due to her backstory in the comics being too similar to Artemis and Sportsmaster?
Greg responds...
Not consciously. Mostly, I think we just found Lady Shiva to be a more compelling character than David Cain.
anon8 writes...
Hi Greg, want to start by saying I love the world building of young justice and the amount of passion you and the team have towards the shows creation, huge respect! The fact that you even take the time to interact with and respond to fans who feel entitled to have all sorts of opinions is a huge thing in itself and the way you respond and handle situations is admirable! I have a couple questions that im not sure can be answered or would warrant a no spoiler haha. Ive looked through the archive to make sure it hasn't been answered before and I don't believe it has so here it goes:
1. Is the Blue Beetle "Big Bad" of Barts time actually Jaime? Once the Reach had Jaime in captivity they might've killed him off for a new host or maybe actually found a way to put him on mode, so the identity of the human host of the tyrant of Barts time is unclear.
2. Flash´s secret identity seems to be important to him, he even has a different eye colour when in his uniform (blue) as opposed to his actual green. With Jay being a public hero with his name known, surely people must recognise him out of costume? In associating him with Bart as his guardian, it wouldn't be impossible for people to make a connection between Allens and Jay, doesn't this put their secret IDs at risk?
Thank you in advance regardless of whether the questions are answered or not. I love the show a lot and have been enjoying the first half of season 4 so far (especially all of Klarions scenes, the were incredibly chaotic hahaha). Very excited for the rest of the season.
Greg responds...
1. IT IS UNCLEAR!! You're the first person that I know of who has noticed that fact. It was left intentionally ambiguous. Jaime assumes, because Bart assumed, that it was him. But I think that's doubtful. Of course, now, we'll never know.
2. Bart's in costume, and the world doesn't know that he's Barry's grandson - especially since Barry's kids are so young. The fact that people know that Jay and Barry are friends doesn't automatically mean that Barry is the Flash. Presumably, Jay has more than one friend.
Anonymous writes...
How come we hardly see Dick interact with Tim? Dick is a lead and Tim is his brother, I would think they'd hang out and work together often, but i dont think we saw them have a single conversation in outsiders. Are they not as close in YJ as they are in the comics?
Greg responds...
They're close. But we only have so much screen time to devote to relationships that do not further the story we're telling. Their relationship is not in question. And Tim, much as I love him (and Cameron Bowen who plays him), is not one of our leads. But given enough time, episodes, comic book stories, etc, we'll get to everything, including Dick and Tim.
Anonymous writes...
Why did the show have to become so dark when it was revived just because the fandom is older? 99.9% of DC media is dark, the optimism in YJ was refreshing. And making material darker doesn't automatically make it more mature.
Greg responds...
I agree that dark doesn't equate with mature. But you're implying that YJ ONLY got dark and didn't get more mature, and I don't agree with that at all. And that's on top of the fact, that I believe YJ remains thoroughly optimistic in its viewpoint. Oh, and probably not as dark as you think.
I don't assume I can convince you of this, but I guarantee that you're not going to convince me.
Hari writes...
When Black Lightning became the new leader of the Justice League how come Superman wasn't made second-in-command of the JL? He obviously has a strong moral compass. Plus he was never apart of nor had anything to do with the Anti-Light.
Greg responds...
I don't recall ever making "second-in-command" an official position in YJ's JL.
Anonymous writes...
if you only intended for there to be a handful of characters that are leads, why didn't you keep the cast small like season 1 instead of adding a bunch of characters you have no intention of focusing on? that way, people could have focused on the mains without being distracted by the characters who are background. can you really blame people for being disappointed when their favorite character shows up, only for the show to do nothing with them and move onto someone else?
Greg responds...
I don't blame people.
Why are you blaming me for making the show I want to make? (Or more accurately, the show that Brandon and I want to make, and which many, many, many fans seem to enjoy?)
I've already answered over and over again why we have always continued to expand our cast. Why some characters are leads in a given season. Why some are supporting. Why some are cameos. Why our spotlight moves around as it does. Feel free to go through the ASK GREG archives and get the lowdown. I'm definitely not in the mood to repeat myself.
But I will make these points:
Blue Beetle was a lead in Season Two. In Season Three he was supporting. In Season Three he only cameod. But should we have NEVER introduced him, just because we didn't make him a lead EVERY season?
Zatanna was supporting in seasons one, two and three. She became a lead for a chunk of Season Four. Should we never have introduced her either?
And if, for example, we made Wonder Girl a lead in Season Five (assuming we get a season five and assuming that's in our gameplan), should we have waited UNTIL Season Five to introduce her? Or might not her Season Five characterization BENEFIT from her having been introduced earlier and us having watched her grow at least a little from a Wonder Woman fangirl in Season Two, to the leader of the Outsiders in Season Four, leading up to whatever might be depicted in Five? And if we then dropped her back down to Supporting in Season Six, would that mean we should never have made her a lead in Season Five?
Different fans might disagree about their specific favorites, but I'd bet anything that NO FAN wanted us to have six heroes and NEVER introduce any more ever. It's a big DC Universe out there. And nearly every fan is frickin' greedy for their favorites to appear.
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