Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

Ahh...and then I got a reply! Thanks :D .

Since it's just delayed I think I'll stick to B&N. That way not only do I get a discount, but I can keep tabs on the order and the warehouse's stock as well. I preordered Bad Guys quite awhile ago..so hopefully I'll still get it whenever it comes around. I don't -have- to get it the day it comes out...I just want to make sure I actually -get- it.
Hereticrick
posted @ Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:52:12 pm EDT from 71.31.223.162

ah...I scrolled down a bit further than the first time and found my answer...just delayed then....thank god.
Hereticrick
posted @ Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:49:54 pm EDT from 71.31.223.162

Hereticrick> Neither Clan Building Volume 2 nor Bad Guys has been released at retail yet. A few copies of CB vol. 2 were available as special advance copies at the San Diego Comic Con, but that's it so far. The Bad Guys trade is supposed to be shipping to comic shops this week; we should have final confirmation from Diamond's shipping list tomorrow if it hasn't been delayed. Although it was supposed to come out first, CB vol.2 is currently held up at customs and is expected to take a few more weeks to reach retailers

Barnes and Noble might still be able to get the trades for you (though it may be a little late to order Bad Guys and have it on release day if the current date holds.) I susually go with my local comic shop or a reliable online bookseller.
Demonskrye - [<---"Kiki's Delivery Service" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:48:25 pm EDT from 146.115.115.33

*got sad that her post didn't have a picture*
Hereticrick
posted @ Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:46:44 pm EDT from 71.31.223.162

Well, a month or two ago I preordered the second volume of Clan Building and the Bad Guys trade from Barnes and Noble. The date for Clan Building came and went and B&N never stocked any in their warehouse so I never got one. Today I went to both Amazon and SLG's site to see if I could get one there, but neither one had any in stock.

So, did they just print so few copies that the major retailers aren't carrying them and I missed out? Did they push back the publication date? If the former, will there be a second printing? Should I even bother with B&N or should I start looking elsewhere (I work at B&N, so if they will eventually get it, I'd just ass soon get it there).

Has anyone else run into this problem? Anyone have any info or advice?
Hereticrick - [hereticrick at gmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:34:21 pm EDT from 71.31.223.162

TPBs: To maintain the patience, I'm enjoying the trailers that were released earlier this summer -- For Bad Guys in particular, one of the 'scenes' teased to us that I'm still excited for is the Yama/Matrix exchange where Yama cracks a smile . . .

Patrick: Hmmm . . . that sig looks familiar (though I think yours is more properly capitalized now that I think about it d: )
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:49:12 pm EDT from 70.190.63.238

I'm changing my Willy Wonka signature quote in honor of the continued saga of the trade paperbacks.

One last day to pre-register for The Gathering before I close it down and get to work making con badges!

19 days left until the 13th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles in Los Angeles, CA!
Patrick - [<-- Gathering 2009]
"The suspense is terrible! I hope it lasts." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:39:13 am EDT from 173.88.135.205

I hope it won't be delayed, though it's still possible, since almost every time the comic's release date was announced before, it would always get a last-minute one-week delay.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:09:08 am EDT from 4.244.209.16

Antiyonder> I will consider it confirmed when it's on Diamond's list ( http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/newreleases.txt ) which will be updated at 2PM this Monday. So Monday, Aug 3rd we will know for sure what is coming out on Wednesday, Aug 5th. Look for Landon, myself or someone else to post the news (good or bad) Monday afternoon.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:58:29 pm EDT from 24.115.12.155

Just looking for a confirmation on the Bad Guys trade. Is it certainly going to come out on the 5th.

If yes, there are no delays for this trade?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:35:48 pm EDT from 71.115.231.114

I just saw the ramble by Greg...

Poor Hermione... Basset hounds are so cool!

Brook >> I won't say anymore about it...

I'll stick to writing up my reviews...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> ...
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 8:21:00 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

Another good reason not to post the idea here: I've read that talking about your story idea with people before writing it can often destroy, or at least erode, the urge to write that story.

(I'm writing a series of novels myself - children's fantasy - but all that I'll say for now is that "Gargoyles" fans might like them. They're not a "Gargoyles" rip-off, of course, but I draw on a lot of the same legends as "Gargoyles" did: the Arthurian cycle, fairy legends, Norse mythology, even some Shakespeare. Not to mention that I also use the notion that time travelers can't change history because they were already there - which I came up with before "Gargoyles" aired, and which probably helped me understand the time loops in "Vows", "Avalon Part Two", and "M.I.A." all the more.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 7:07:20 pm EDT from 4.244.215.120

@ Greg B: Ah, shame. I just secured the quipment for my project yesterday, in the end I decided to do the it bymyself. Who needs producers anyways *wanders into corner, mumbling*...

But if the project really REALLY really means a lot to you, try selling it in another country. Sounds dull, but I've heard some good things about, for example, Japan and Korea when it comes to foreign screenplays.
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 5:08:43 pm EDT from 84.191.182.111

Brook> I. Wish.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Gathering 2009]
"Ideas are a dime a dozen. You can give ten writers the same whore idea and you'll come back with ten different stories because they'll filter through who they are. Look, 'Babylon 5 is a story about a space station with gambling and casinos... and a captain with a destiny? You see where I'm going, Not that it doesn't still piss me off." -J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:58:42 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

@Â Mochi: No. >:(

@ Greg B: Whoa. Is it sold yet?
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:47:52 pm EDT from 84.191.182.111

Brook> I don't even know what a mediafire account is.

That being said, I do have envelopes of certified mail addressed to me full of my material. And one of my completed outlines has been registered with the Writers Guild of America.

So far, so good.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Gathering 2009]
"Ideas are a dime a dozen. You can give ten writers the same whore idea and you'll come back with ten different stories because they'll filter through who they are. Look, 'Babylon 5 is a story about a space station with gambling and casinos... and a captain with a destiny? You see where I'm going, Not that it doesn't still piss me off." -J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:38:01 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

I forgot to mention this before, but after viewing my recording of the Spectacular Spider-Man panel at Comic-Con Greg mentioned what might be involved in the Radio Play for the Gathering...

Anyone curious...? >=D
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> Out of class...and in need of food...
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:37:30 pm EDT from 67.101.237.11

Greg B.: "I'm writing a few screenplays. But, I would never post my ideas for them in a public place for that very reason."

[SPOILER] Should have said that before I broke into your mediafire account... :) [/SPOILER]

Personally, I'm very tight knit with what I do, but at some point, you just have to hand "them" out.

Personally, when I'm finished writing something, I put it into an envelope, register it (make sure they apply the stamp across the tape-sealed opening of the package) and send it to myself. This way, even if somebody plans to steal my ideas, I can always prove that they originated with me. In europe, registered mail is as good as a lawyer putting a seal onto it. :)

Plus, and idea is never a story. I think that statement speaks volumes. ;)
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:24:43 pm EDT from 84.191.182.111

And, the quote in my last post... forgot to attribute it.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Gathering 2009]
"Ideas are a dime a dozen. You can give ten writers the same whore idea and you'll come back with ten different stories because they'll filter through who they are. Look, 'Babylon 5 is a story about a space station with gambling and casinos... and a captain with a destiny? You see where I'm going, Not that it doesn't still piss me off." -J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:21:43 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

@ Mochi: [SPOILER] YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! [/SPOILER]
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:21:00 pm EDT from 84.191.182.111

King Cobra> Had to point this out, generally speaking, if Warcrafter wrote a novel, it wouldn't be the best idea for him to post his idea here. For one, public forum, you never know who might steal the idea.

I'm writing a few screenplays. But, I would never post my ideas for them in a public place for that very reason. I've got a small circle of people I trust who I can share them with, who can and do provide me with much needed feedback. I am, indeed, grateful for that.

But, none of them will ever go public unless I am lucky enough to get those ideas sold and produced.

I would encourage Warcrafter to do the same.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Gathering 2009]
"Ideas are a dime a dozen. You can give ten writers the same whore idea and you'll come back with ten different stories because they'll filter through who they are. Look, 'Babylon 5 is a story about a space station with gambling and casinos... and a captain with a destiny? You see where I'm going, Not that it doesn't still piss me off."
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:20:53 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

Vashkoda >> I might be able to help out with coloring (if it's digital since I have access to Photoshop). I can probably help out with any video editing as well if necessary...

My review for CB2 will coming soon. I'm going to start with issue #9 and go from there...and yes, it will contain spoilers!! [SPOILER] Testing... This is only a test... [/SPOILER]
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> In class on a Saturday morning...
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 2:13:32 pm EDT from 67.101.237.11

I'm sorry to hear about Greg's dog. It's really nice that he adopts older animals.

So, I was looking through my old artwork and came across this thing that I did 12 years ago: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/purplegoldfish/Robingoyle.jpg
Remind you of anyone ;P. I can't even tell what gender it is lol. I just found it amusing.

While I'm in my album, I'll post this picture of Demona I painted on my arm with face paints: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/purplegoldfish/demonafp2.jpg
It's a really bad picture but it looked good on my arm.

BTW, the spoiler tags are really cool!
Purplegoldfish
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 1:16:56 pm EDT from 64.148.57.59

We've extended Gathering pre-registration through the weekend. Two days left to save before at-the-door rates take effect!

20 days left until the 13th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles in Los Angeles, CA!
Patrick - [<-- Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:41:23 am EDT from 173.88.135.205

My condolences to Greg and his family on the loss of Hermione the basset hound, as noted in Ask Greg. For what it's worth, I think it's really wonderful that you've been giving older dogs a loving home, though I know it must be really hard when the time you have with them seems so short.
Demonskrye - [<---"Kiki's Delivery Service" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 8:43:09 am EDT from 146.115.115.33

Warcrafter> "I felt like writing a novel."

What's it going to be about?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 5:35:00 am EDT from 99.177.172.217

While I am highly anticipating V2 in my local comic store, I felt like writing a novel. Don't know why, I just did. Chapter 1 done already.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
VAMPIRES DON'T SPARKLE!!!!!!!!!
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 3:45:14 am EDT from 69.231.225.28

*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
Chuck Norris has never been denied anything. NOT EVEN REVENGE!!!
posted @ Sat, Aug 1, 2009 3:43:01 am EDT from 69.231.225.28

Hey guys, figured with this being the last con and all, and potentially the last update of the fan-made video of the official-scripted "Team Atlantis-Gargoyles" crossover-episode "The Last" (was that enough hyphens for you?), I would give recruiting help here one more shot. There are currently fan-artists hard at work trying to clean up and color the official storyboards (the few that were done), or sketch/color new scenes using the official script and voice track as a guide. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in helping out with, send me an email. Don't be shy about your level of talent-- remember that the alternative is blank sections with no video and only voice track, so we're not being all that picky (although we do have some excellent artists helping out, there's only so much they can get done in time for the con).
Vashkoda - [<my name goes here> at gmail dot com]
D2 <Can I have it?>
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 7:17:43 pm EDT from 71.107.4.33

Saber - Welcome! Yeah, that was me that sent you. This is probably the most active forum for Gargoyles fans. It also houses Ask Greg, where you can submit questions to the creator of the show, Greg Weisman. If you have a question, please check the FAQ and browse or search the Archives first. Your question might have been (and probably was) already answered.
Landon Thomas - [lumpmoose at gmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:14:13 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

I mentioned earlier that I had a copy. I didn't buy it at Comicon, a friend did for me though.
UncleDeadly
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:21:08 pm EDT from 128.114.248.169

So...only two of us that post here in the CR have picked up CB2?!

Seriously...?!

Brook >> A picture can be arranged... ;)
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>O.o)> Preparing for a job interview...
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 1:25:47 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

hi here my name is saber and i been told to come here from the GOTG forum to chat with fans.

nice to meet u all :3
Saber - [dal1986n at hotmail dot co dot uk]
Saber
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 11:47:28 am EDT from 82.23.93.109

Speaking of statues, did the prototype for the Electric Tiki Goliath statue show up at the SLG booth as Greg hoped it would? If so, did anyone get pictures?
Demonskrye - [<---"Kiki's Delivery Service" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 10:32:07 am EDT from 146.115.115.33

It appears Bowen Designs' Gargoyles Statue (http://bowendesigns.com/disney.asp) will be shipping in September (http://bowendesigns.com/page.asp?id=10).
Gorebash
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 9:47:49 am EDT from 207.206.236.230

He's been in prison before? (Then again, from what little I've heard of the guy, I'm not surprised.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 8:59:20 am EDT from 4.244.215.78

Good thing it's not Last Tengu in Paris held up in customs or Edmund would be heading back to prison.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 8:51:58 am EDT from 216.250.163.157

Just how long has that "I just flew in from [insert name here] and boy are my arms tired" joke been around?
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 7:30:35 am EDT from 4.244.213.5

Did anyone else see the email/newsletter SLG comics sent out? I got it this morning. It said:

I just flew in from Comic-Con and boy are my arms tired.
Seriously though, Comic-Con 2009 is now a memory and we are turning our attentions back to our own stuff. The new Gargoyles TPB, Clan Building Volume Two, is being held in customs so it will be a good couple of more weeks before that is in stores. Until then though treat yourself to some of the new stuff we have brought in for our gallery store...

At least its an answer for the further delay :)
Litwolf
<Be happy for me and for all who fly free.> - Tobias of Animorphs
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 7:23:51 am EDT from 173.69.136.16

Shara- how many is a few copies?
Adam - [Carlson]
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 7:15:24 am EDT from 76.113.176.63

Reminder: Today's the last day for Gathering pre-registration!

21 days left until the 13th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles in Los Angeles, CA!
Patrick - [<-- Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 7:03:34 am EDT from 173.88.135.205

@ Anthony: I'm with you on that. ;)

I mean, I basically waited 10 years to have a look at Katana.

I first watched Gargoyles in 2000 or 1999, and since then I've wanted to see how Brooklyns girl looks and how they interact and all.
So, yeah, for you it's been 1 year 4 month, for me... IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS! :(
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:38:59 am EDT from 84.191.184.77

I picked up a copy and had Greg sign it as well!
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...but feeling much better...
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 1:29:31 am EDT from 72.199.80.34

I picked up a few copies had greg sign one of the other comics for me hehehe. Hes so neat to talk to.
shara - [jeanie54_2000 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, Jul 31, 2009 12:25:41 am EDT from 76.170.154.47

How many people in the room were lucky to get Clan Building 2 at SDCC?
Adam - [Carlson]
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:58:24 pm EDT from 76.113.176.63

Todd> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2195/whats-the-origin-of-slow-boat-to-china

Brook> Since I last read "Rock and Roll" (issue 8) on March 26, 2008 and have been waiting 1 year, 5 months, and 4 days so far for the next issue, never mind the rest of the story, I think I can wait 1 year, 6 months, but any longer than that and I may crack. ;)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:04:00 pm EDT from 70.15.81.119

Whoa!! That's just heavy. O.O No wonder SLG print in China...

Can individuals somehow contact the printing company in China and get single issues Fed Exed...?
...
...no?
....
... oh well...
...
[SPOILER] ...shame. :( [/SPOILER]
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:46:40 pm EDT from 84.191.225.62

When *did* the phrase "slow boat to China" first originate, by the way? (And now I suppose we're in for another discussion like the "Why is it 'tastes like chicken' instead of 'tastes like beef' or 'tastes like turkey'?" one.)

I hope it won't be the *end* of the month. Maybe it'll come out on the 12th or the 19th. I hope so. I don't want to spend a long time struggling against the temptation to ask the people who bought copies at Comic Con about how the Stone of Destiny story ended.

On a lighter note, Greg Weisman mentioned a couple of days ago at "Ask Greg" being fond of "Great Expectations". One part of that story reminds me of "Gargoyles"; Magwitch's fellow convict turning out to be the man who left Miss Havisham standing at the altar so long ago. The first thing that popped into my head when I became reacquainted with that story a few years ago was "That sounds exactly like the kind of thing that would have happened on 'Gargoyles'!"
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:49:32 pm EDT from 4.244.209.152

I'm sure Greg Weisman has heard about the delays and maybe he'll ask Dan Vado to FEDEX a couple copies to The Gathering.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:07:37 pm EDT from 70.15.81.119

"The slow boat from China" isn't just a catchy saying, you know. I'm guessing those books are coming freight inside a container with all sorts of other "made in China" items, and that's why it's going to be the end of the month. It'll be a shame, tough, if it takes until after the con... Greg Weisman has already autographed just about everything else. ;)

22 days left until the 13th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles in Los Angeles, CA!
Patrick - [<-- Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:49:29 pm EDT from 173.88.135.205

It should also be noted that using multiple printers at multiple locations is extremely common. Antarctic Press at any one time uses up to 6 different printers, stateside in San Antonio, in Houston, in canada, in china, and wherever else can provide a good quality and price. Marvel, who prints some 80 books a month plus countless trades, uses dozens of printers, some overseas. Multiple printers is EXTEMELY common.

Also, since SLG had advance copies done, it likely means that the entire run is finished at the printer, and they had a hundred shipped expediantley to the con at extra cost to themselves. The rest are no doubt on their way. Again, common practice.

(Incidentally, I saw a copy at the con and it printed pretty well, so I'm pleased about that.)
Robby Bevard
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:31:10 pm EDT from 99.58.114.52

Printing overseas is VASTLY cheaper than printing stateside. Even after shipping time and cost, its still a huge money saver, especially if its in color.

I don't have numbers in front of me, but off the top of my head, printing 3,500 copies of a color book at a specific printer in China costs the same as printing 3,500 copies of a black and white book stateside.

Printing black and white overseas is not cost effective however, because the price difference there isn't significant enough to make up for the shipping cost. But color? Overseas is way cheaper.

There's also logistics about higher print runs make the per unit cost cheaper, etc. etc. I could go on a lecture all day about the ins and outs of the comic industry. But the short of it... printing color books overseas is way cheaper than printing them stateside, to the order of thousands of dollars.
Robby Bevard
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:25:00 pm EDT from 99.58.114.52

I know this is kind of a long shot, but does anyone who ones Clan Building 2 live in Minnesota? Just seeing if we could get together so I could get a peek at CB2. thanks all.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:23:51 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

@ Demonskrye: Sure, I just meant that an american company has their books printed in 2 other, different countries is a bit absurd when you think about it. From economical reasons, it's a lot cheaper, but if you really think about it... I mean, the time of the shipping alone takes so long, and it costs a lot and is STILL a lot cheaper than the american printing... that is, somehow, kinda absurd...
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:06:45 pm EDT from 84.191.225.62

Brook> "Absurd" is really not the word I would have used. I pulled three random books (not comics collections of graphic novels) off of my shelf and checked where they were printed. One was printed in the U.S., but the other two were manufactured in China and Singapore respectively. So it's entirely possible that printing, like so much other manufacturing, can be done cheaper in other countries under certain circumstances. Color and capacity concerns could certainly be issues as well. There may be printers who don't take print runs that are over or under certain sizes. Or maybe a printer closer to the U.S. couldn't be booked in time. But the idea that printing and binding a book would cost less in China doesn't really strike me as "absurd."
Demonskrye - [<---"Kiki's Delivery Service" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:03:41 pm EDT from 146.115.115.33

@ L.T.: Surely something to consider.

What I wonder is how long exactly the "on the way" part will take...
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:36:11 pm EDT from 84.191.225.62

The thought crosses my mind that one book being black and white (which is less expensive, of course) and the other being full color might also have had something to do with where each was printed.
L.T. Williams
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:15:09 pm EDT from 71.93.81.240

Besides printing costs (+ applicable shipping costs), it can also be a matter of capacity.
A company can only print a certain amount in a certain time and one also got to figure in that others might have ordered their stuff printed as well. Bad Guys might have a smaller printing run and have fitted that company's capacity or their might have been timing conflicts, etc, etc.

Afair, one of my country's publishers printed one comic at two different printing company since they couldn't get a printer who could do the complete run in the intended timeframe.
Anonymouse
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:02:48 pm EDT from 88.130.167.234

The folks at SLG aren't idiots. I'm sure they had a good reason for choosing the printers that they chose.
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:47:00 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

Battle Beast> You know all the best printers live in Canada, China, and other places in the world that being with C.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:43:57 pm EDT from 159.240.11.186

...like i said, what do i know *shuts up and goes away*
Wingless
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:51:30 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

@ Wingless: Depends, but... well, it's a bit absurd...
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:36:20 pm EDT from 84.191.175.55

Battle Beast: the most likely reason for printing outside the US would be cost. Although, I figure that dealing with shipping costs these days would negate any savings with printing outside the US-but what do I know.
Wingless
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:13:22 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

So why is SLG printing in My country and China? Don't they have a printer in the US? And why not use ONE printer in ONE location?

I don't know, but if BG is out next week I'll be happy. I've waited this long (*SIGH*) got CBV2, so why not wait (*SIGH*) a little longer?
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:46:51 pm EDT from 75.156.190.146

Landon> Thanks. And thanks for indirectly reminding me that I wanted to start a discussion on Amazon about the delay so it doesn't discourage potential buyers when they look at the release date under the product details.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:44:21 am EDT from 159.240.11.254

Here's one idea for folks that are itching to talk about Clan-Building volume 2: post a review on Amazon. Since it's no longer in pre-order mode, customers can add reviews. That'll help get the rating up as we approach the release date. You might want to mention that you got an advance copy at Comic-Con so people don't think you're lying or are a hack promoter or something. For the same reason, please do *not* review Bad Guys since no one has a copy yet. And I think a good review reveals a little plot without spoiling too much.

http://www.amazon.com/Gargoyles-Clan-Building-Greg-Weisman/dp/1593621671

P.S. Thanks for putting an image up on Bad Guys' site, Anthony.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:21:49 am EDT from 216.250.163.157

So at least we know now. Thanks for finding out, Demonskrye. I'm glad (in a way) that Slave Labor Graphics didn't get more precise than "by the end of August"; apparently they decided it was best not to get too specific, in case of fresh delays.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:49 am EDT from 4.244.213.37

I must say, I am really sorry to hear about the delays. A friend of mine was at ComicCon this weekend and bought me a copy. And not only do I have no one in my off-line life to share it with, I actually feel bad that so few people in the world have gotten to see it.

I really hope it gets printed and out soon. As lucky as I feel, I'd rather be able to share with people!
UncleDeadly
posted @ Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:40:38 am EDT from 69.232.199.84

CBV2 -- I'm kinda wondering if we'll see it come out before the Gathering. (**fingers crossed**) As for Bad Guys, all signs point to it coming out next week, so in that case, yay!

Gore -- Not to make you MORE work, but the spoiler tags so far seem to be a hit here d: . . . any chance they can be included in the Ask Greg queue? I doubt questions already submitted, but for new ones . . . ?

Wingless -- Must have just glanced your last post in haste, because my first thought was What does Rebel have to do with mulch? d:
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:52:22 pm EDT from 70.190.63.238

So Bad Guys will still be out next week? And Clan Building will be out... when? The end of August?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:39:34 pm EDT from 70.237.139.47

Rebel: Thanks Muchly ^_^
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:17:29 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

Wow, that's surprising. Thanks for the legwork, Demonskrye. That vast majority of North American comics are printed in Canada by Quebecor, but they just left bankruptcy last week. I guess we shouldn't assume the delay is SLG's fault.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:08:16 pm EDT from 216.250.163.157

Wingless > Where it says "SPOILER" in the spoiler tags, replace that with "U", "I", or "B", for bold, italicized, or underlined, respectively.

Anyone who has any spoilers > Just to be on the safe side, it might be a good idea to mention that you are about to give spoilers prior to your spoiler tags, just so everyone knows it's not just another "test" of the spoiler tags.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:58:15 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

Here's the link to what Demonskrye is referrring to -- the official answer to why there is no Clan Building Vol 2 this week. http://slg-news.livejournal.com/348078.html
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:27:59 pm EDT from 24.115.12.155

I just got a response from SLG on their LiveJournal and apparently Clan Building Volume 2 is en route from China where it was printed. Bad Guys, for some reason, was printed in Canada and will thus be here sooner. They expect Clan Building will be out in stores by the end of the month.

As Greg B said, the copies at SDCC were advance copies and do not reflect the main stock being ready to go.
Demonskrye - [<---"Kiki's Delivery Service" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:58:08 pm EDT from 146.115.115.33

The copies at Comic Con were Advance copies.

An advance copy, also known as an advance reading copy or ARC, is a copy of a book released by its publisher before the book has gone to press for a complete printing.

Obviously the mass production printing isn't ready yet. Probably will be very, very, soon.

I don't think there's much to worry or fret about. The book will come out when it comes out.

But I agree with Todd, it'd be nice if the conspiracy theories don't get out of hand. Actually, I'll go one further and say it'd be nice if there were no conspiracy theories, period.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Gathering 2009]
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:07:23 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

ANTHONY TINI - Mochi suggested below that they had to send the second volume back to the printers for accidentally leaving out the credits for #9. Though it would be nice if we could get some official news from Slave Labor Graphics, before the conspiracy theories get completely out of hand.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:52:52 pm EDT from 4.244.209.98

Gore is a SUPER genius.

Just not sure how everyone is doing the bold and italic text & such
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:34:59 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

Testing, testing...

[SPOILER] I'm just a girl who can't say no
I'm in a terrible fix
I always say hey come on le'ts go
Just when I oughta say nix

When a person tries to kiss a girl
I know she oughta give his face a smack
But as soon as someone kisses me
I somehow sorta wanna kiss him back

I'm just a fool when lights are low
I can't be prissy and quaint
I ain't the type that can faint
How can I be what I ain't
I cant sayyy no
[/SPOILER]
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Gathering 2009]
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:14:36 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

whoa, that was weird. and I was just talking about spoiler tags night ;)..

[SPOILER] it's too freaking hot today :((( [/SPOILER]

it's supposed to be 100 degrees or above in Seattle,day.. supposed to be the hottest day EVER (or at least in the past 100 years).. and being in the mid to upper 90's the rest of the week.. I bet people here are missing that rain we normally get for most of the year.. it is called the Evergreen State ya know, might be the Everdry state for a little while :p
Starlioness
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:36:05 pm EDT from 98.237.252.92

I just called my comic book retailer...there were NO Gargoyles trades in his shipment. [SPOILER] FUCK! [/SPOILER]

What is going on? Dan Vado had 100 copies for SDCC and none for the rest of the world? <breath> On the bright side, we have Bad Guys to look forward to next week...hopefully...
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:20:11 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Thank you, Gore! I think this is something the Comment Room has really needed and I appreciate you taking the time to implement it.

[SPOILER] This is a test of the Emergency Spoiler System. This is only a test. [/SPOILER]
Demonskrye - [<---"Kiki's Delivery Service" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:16:17 pm EDT from 146.115.115.33

On an unrelated note, does anyone play Spore, and if you do, do you have any Gargoyle-type creatures?
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:45:57 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

Testing.
Testing.
Testing.
Testing.
Testing.
Testing.
Testing.

Hmmmm....
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:40:40 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

Brook >> I can do that, but it'll take a while...

Come to think of it, I should look into how reviews have been done in the past so I have an idea of what to do...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...but feeling much better...
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:25:19 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

@ MOCHI: So, now that we have spoiler tags - care to post a review for V2, including a 1-10 rating of each issue?? :D
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:47:49 pm EDT from 84.191.251.96

Oohh! We now have spoiler tags and tags for bold and italics. Will make identifying movies and stuff properly much easier. And no more accidental spoiler readings [SPOILER] so long as people use the tags properly [/SPOILER].

Okay, I'm done playing with it.
Asatira
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:42:19 pm EDT from 68.190.20.172

There is a page in the back of the book that lists the credits for each of the six issues. The credits for #9 weren't printed and skips to issue #10.
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...but feeling much better...
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:37:51 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

Sorry to spam the board.

The One Known As Mochi> What do you mean? Missing?
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:26:01 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

[SPOILER]
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:24:23 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Now you see me.[/SPOILER]
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:24:05 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

This isn't much, but I can say that one possible reason for the delayed release of CB2 could be because the credits for issue #9 are missing...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...but feeling much better...
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:18:11 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

[SPOILER]
This is pretty cool.

[/SPOILER]
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:17:26 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

[SPOILER] they should nest as well, but who knows, it might break things. [/SPOILER]
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:10:50 pm EDT from 207.206.236.230

B, I and U tags exist as well to bold, italicize and/or underline text. These will remain undocumented for the time being.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:08:47 pm EDT from 207.206.236.230

Yeah, thanks Gore!! :D
[SPOILER] You Bore!! >:( [/SPOILER]

[SPOILER] Kidding! ;P [/SPOILER]
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:04:14 pm EDT from 84.191.251.96

Oh, neat.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:01:43 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

There might be some kinks in the system, but Well this is definitely an improvement (and I appreciate the warning "Please wrap all spoiler comments within [SPOILER] [/SPOILER] tags." that I'm seeing as I write this -- its one step closer to becoming understood etiquette around here d: ). Thanks a bunch, Gore!
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:00:53 pm EDT from 70.190.63.238

Rebel: hold down your SHIFT button and hit the refresh or reload button of your browser to clear out its cache. Then you should see the intended effect.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:56:25 pm EDT from 207.206.236.230

I don't get it. What are these spoiler tags supposed to do? All it does is put "[Spoiler ->]" before the text, and then shows the text as normal. This is not an improvement over the make-shift spoiler warnings that people normally use (and in fact it might be worse, since the make-shift spoiler warnings seem to give more warning.

Is there something that everyone else is seeing that I'm not seeing?
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:51:48 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

And in theory you don't have to wrap your whole post in spoiler tags. [SPOILER] You can just tag those little bits which are sensitive [/SPOILER]. I suspect the [ spoiler ] tag will find other uses as well. [SPOILER] Such as self-censoring foul language or naughty bits. [/SPOILER]
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:51:47 pm EDT from 207.206.236.230

Maybe I'll add more tags later. Maybe change how spoilers appear. Right now it's a simple case of it makes the text the same color as the background so you can't read it until you highlight it (unless you're on a text-base browser, in which case you're screwed). Let's see if that helps at all or if the room becomes a sea of red dots.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:49:13 pm EDT from 207.206.236.230

[SPOILER] Testing. [/SPOILER]
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:48:52 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

[SPOILER] xx is xx [/SPOILER]
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:46:47 pm EDT from 84.191.251.96

[spoiler]XX is XX
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:46:31 pm EDT from 84.191.251.96

Good, that works now. So if you screw up the [spoiler] tag it only affects your post.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:45:26 pm EDT from 207.206.236.230

[spoiler]An intentionally left open spoiler tag
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:44:49 pm EDT from 207.206.236.230

Amazon switched Clan-Building volume 2 from pre-order to 'Add to cart' but says it'll ship in 2-3 weeks: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1593621671/

So yeah, it's not coming out today.
Landon Thomas - [lumpmoose at gmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:38:46 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

[SPOILER] Multi-
line
didn't
work,
wasn't
in
tags? [/SPOILER]
Anonymouse
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:24:14 pm EDT from 89.246.173.7

Spoiler tags work for. :)
Anonymouse
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:16:28 pm EDT from 89.246.173.7

[SPOILER] This is a top secret! Don't tell anyone. [/SPOILER]
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:58:14 am EDT from 207.206.236.230

I talked to my friend who really is into comics and he showed me this site: http://www.tfaw.com/ And he said if it's on tfaw, then it's probably coming out this week. So it's not official news, but it makes me hopeful. http://www.tfaw.com/Profile/Gargoyles-Clan-Building-TPB-Vol.-02___346496

Anyone go to their comic book retailer and get their copy today?
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:57:31 am EDT from 159.240.11.254

This is a test.
Because testing in a live environment is far more exciting.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:48:43 am EDT from 207.206.236.230

Mochi > I will thank you very much for posting that tiny spoiler. The one and only spoiler I wanted to read before I myself got my hands on the book was what Katana looked like. So thank you so much!

Delays > Im with all you guys. This is getting just the slightest bit annoying. We know that the trade is done or at the very least getting printed now because there were copies at Comic-Con. I have no idea how it long it takes to print up enough copies of a trade to send to stores but we have yet another ignored release date. *sigh* I know delays happen, especially in the comic world, but the Gargoyles string of bad luck with delays is the longest I have ever seen without seeing a full out cancellation of the series. I know that we are incredibly lucky that the trade was allowed to come out and that it was entirely possible for the comic to be put down without saying a word to us but its human nature to complain and point out the bad more than the good, ne?
Litwolf
<Be happy for me and for all who fly free.> - Tobias of Animorphs
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:10:47 am EDT from 173.69.136.16

AUDRA AND KING COBRA - I know what you mean. I hope that Diamond gives an official release date soon. (Though if they're planning to only bring it out after "Bad Guys", I'll be wondering why it took them two and a half weeks to bring it out, at least, after the Comic Con with its copies on sale, and why "Bad Guys" wasn't available there if it was to be published first. Apparently the publishing world thrives on an "Alice in Wonderland" mentality.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:50:47 am EDT from 4.244.212.213

FOR EVERBODY WHO WANTS TO DISCUSS/REVIEW Clan Building Vol. 2 -- GO HERE:

http://gargoyles.freeforums.org/gargoyles-cb-vol-2-spoilers-discussion-reviews-t19.html

:)
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:11:02 am EDT from 84.191.251.96

@ Anonymous: Sure, but every time a point like this is brought up, this happens -

- point is brought up

- discussion ensues

- half of the people want a poper forum, the other half not

- both parties moan

- fight ensues

- fight ends, nothing happens

;)

Anyways, I think they're pretty effective, I mean it's pretty easy to skip them.
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:16:44 am EDT from 84.191.251.96

Mochi > Thanks. :)
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:13:12 am EDT from 75.64.82.30

The spoiler tags employed here are pretty ineffective, because it's still visible and you have to scroll past them, which gives you more than enough time to read the spoilers at a glance.
Anonymouse
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:29:22 am EDT from 89.246.173.7

Audra> "Gosh I am getting so impatient for Gargoyles: Clan Building Volume 2..."

Join the club. Been waiting for that book for over a damn year now.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:21:04 am EDT from 99.177.172.217

Gosh I am getting so impatient for Gargoyles: Clan Building Volume 2... Normally I'm pretty patient, but since the book was ready for Comic Con, I feel like the book should be out now for everyone else.
Audra - [birdygirl85 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:47:23 am EDT from 97.125.108.172

*sigh*

Somehow I knew that was going to happen...

Starlioness >> Expect the unexpected... ;)

I'm going to hold off on posting any more spoilers...

But for those who are extremely curious, use my e-mail address because I'm not about to post major spoilers here...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...but feeling much better...
posted @ Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:38:42 am EDT from 72.199.80.34

Greg > I'm aware of that. But as I said, the temptation to read them is too great.

Landon > My apologies. I didn't think about the fact that my comments could also be considered spoilers. It won't happen again.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:50:19 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

ooops, Sorry, didn't mean to offend anybody, that was just a hypothetical question ... (didn't think Mochi would answer )

maybe there should be a show/hide spoilers button or something..
Starlioness
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:18 pm EDT from 98.237.252.92

Rebel - Please don't include spoilers in your warning about spoilers (assuming that's what they were talking about).
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:06:42 pm EDT from 216.250.163.157

Rebel> That's what spoiler warnings are for, so you can skip over them.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Gathering 2009]
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:17 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

Yuck. I don't like this at all. Even the discussion of Katana at all is something of a spoiler. I'm afraid I'm going to bow out of the CR until the official release date.

Whenever that is...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:58 pm EDT from 70.230.163.159

Please don't post any major spoilers. I come here everyday and the temptation to read them is too great. I'm not terribly bothered that I know what color Katana is or what color her hair isn't, since I don't consider those to be major spoilers, but please don't post anything terribly important.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:56:20 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

...and it begins...

Starlioness >> About that...

***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
Katana's hair is not red...
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...but feeling much better...
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:25:11 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

well, I called my local shop yesterday.. they didn't even know the comic was coming out.. but they didn't have it listed in this week's releases .. but they said I would be the first to know when it does come ;)..

I do think we should take Patrick's idea.. that it's out when it's out.. I guess :)

*SPOILERS FOR MOCHI NO LOOKIE!**
I hope her hair isn't red like Demona's LoL :)

*End SPOILERS**************
Starlioness
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:56:50 pm EDT from 98.237.252.92

Brook >> Okay... This one's for you...

For everyone else, last chance to NOT read this... You've been warned...

***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***SPOILERS***
Katana does make an appearance...
I won't say which issue though...
As for color...light blue...
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***
***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***END SPOILERS***

Shara went to Comic-Con too, didn't she...? She did mention meeting the cast of Heroes...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:04:37 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

It certainly strengthens my theory, if even the attendees who live in San Diego are still recuperating. Think what it must be like for the ones who live on the East Coast, in that case!

(Though as far as I know, nobody else here has mentioned attending Comic Con. Or maybe they did and I missed it.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:51:15 pm EDT from 4.244.208.208

I just want a yes or a no (maybe a colour??) with loads a spoiler tags so nobody else reads it. ;)

Or just go over to the GARGOYLES-FORUM that Gorebash linked to beow and post it there.
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:25:27 pm EDT from 84.191.206.183

Todd >> I live in San Diego and I'm still tired from Comic-Con (I'm only 10-15 minutes away from the Convention Center too)...

I could post spoilers...and I'll be able to respond to Brook's question about Katana since I finished reading CB2 last night...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:20:40 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

True for S8, but why not on Blogs or the forum??

I mean, they could easily post links to that for people who are interrested!!
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:06:18 pm EDT from 84.191.206.183

I think that the people who bought the copies at Comic Con are respecting the request made last week to wait until the book's officially released in bookstores and comic stores before reviewing it.

And many of them are probably still recuperating from the journey home from San Diego.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:57:34 pm EDT from 4.244.208.208

I'm pretty busted that so far no reviews are out!!!

I mean - can I at least get a heads up that Katana will show up??
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:53:40 pm EDT from 84.191.206.183

PHOENICIAN - I've also been wondering still what the release date is, and whether it's being delayed until after "Bad Guys" is out for some mysterious reason. I had hoped that, when Greg Weisman responded to my comment about the YouTube trailer, he would say something about that, but he didn't; he only mentioned that the copies had sold well at the San Diego Comic Con. Maybe he doesn't know that we don't know when it's coming out.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:35:36 pm EDT from 4.244.208.208

Anthony> I didn't go to villain school for nothing! Rule number 5 - Always be one step ahead! Unfortunately, Rule 4 is Don't rely on henchmen, they will always fail you.

Again though, Anyone looking for a roomie for The Gathering? I'm generally quiet in person as most the fandom can atest to. :) I'll take a spot on floor if needs be, the combination of the full hotel cost for the con killed my wallet<pokes wallet with a stick to make sure it hasn't turned into a zombie>.

Please contact me via AIM or e-mail if ya need a roomie. AIM Kaelarkaemis and E-mail is kaelarkaemis at gmail dot com. I always have my AIM going.

(Dunno if ya'll remember me or not, this is Zaius/Kaelyan from back in the day. :)
Kael Arkaemis - [kaelarkaemis_at_gmail_dot_com]
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:05:58 pm EDT from 70.184.241.254

So I just bought the first season of Spectacular Spider-Man -- and I gotta say, it was worth the wait . . . considering I was catching this season on my small college TV set and on YouTube when it was airing, to see it on DVD and in widescreen . . . (and here it comes d: ), well, it's spectacular.

Special features were definitely a joy to watch, and as one of those reviews that Landon posted pointed out -- leaves you wanting more -- but considering what they put in, I do think a decent chunk was put together. Just kinda wish I got the music video as well, which I guess is only in the Attack of the Lizard/Volume I set.

Here's hoping that we get a Season Two DVD quicker, especially since it doesn't seem like the individual releases will ever be movie-tailored compilations. And of course, here's hoping for a Season Three.

Now, any word if any comic shops will be getting Clan Building Volume II this week . . . doesn't seem like it from the lack of information, but you never know . . . .
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:53:50 pm EDT from 70.190.63.238

While I don't want to get into another big issue, I do agree with Rebel on the vote. If you want to say "Since there isn't a huge majority that reflects a broad consensus, we're going to do x, y, and z instead of changing over to a message board," I'm fine with that. But if you say "It's essentially fifty/fifty," it kind of feels like you're just discounting ten or so people's votes, which I am not okay with. Ten people may not seem like a lot, but since just over 100 people total voted, it's a fairly significant percentage.

So is anything going to happen, or is the forum just going to stay exactly how it is?
Demonskrye - [<---"Kiki's Delivery Service" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:42:01 pm EDT from 146.115.115.33

Kael> Sorry, I see you already have. Good luck with your search!
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:51:26 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Maybe it would help if the CR had an on screen divider splitting up the separate days posts. That would be cool and provide some organization.

Kael> Since your post is kind of getting lost in the ether, you may have better luck here: http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/forum/

There is a Room and Room Sharing forum there that may help you.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:49:36 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

It wasn't 50/50. It was 60/40. Since roughly 100 people voted, that means approximately 60 people voted for a forum, and only 40 people voted for the CR. That means that the vote for a forum beat the vote for the CR by about 20 people, which is a very significant amount considering only about 100 people voted. If 1,000 people voted and "forum" only won by 20 votes, then I could see your point.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:41:17 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

And I just made some more minor changes. :) Opened some threads, updated some smaller news...
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:13:27 am EDT from 84.191.247.67

Bleh. Looks like the bank that issued my credit card doesn't like the merchant service for some reason. I'd have thought they'd have given me a call to make sure it was me trying to make the transaction, but I haven't been contacted at all. This doesn't make any sense... *headdesk*

Guess I have to get in touch with my credit card company to find out what the heck is going on.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:11:32 am EDT from 24.99.188.243

@ Gore: It's not just "a" forum, it's "THE" forum. ;)
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:02:42 am EDT from 84.191.247.67

Kth: e-mail support@verotel.com and ask them what's up.

Demonskrye: About 100 votes. It's a near 50/50 split. It's not an obvious majority of something like 80/20 or 90/10 either way. That's about all the information I expected to get out of this informal poll. And who can complain anyways, the polling site I'm using is free. You get what you pay for.

Remember that we already have a Gargoyles forum here at http://gargoyles.freeforums.org/ for all your forum needs.
Gorebash
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:02:47 am EDT from 207.206.236.230

Well it's ultimately Gore's decision, but I'm going to be disappointed if we went through doing the vote for a couple of weeks and many of us did vote once in good faith and the final conclusion is "Whoopsee, turns out the system was flawed so the whole thing is invalid and we have to start over." If the system is indeed flawed to the point where it's clear that the vote is not accurate, it should have been brought up early on in the process, not weeks after the vote started.
Demonskrye - [<---"Kiki's Delivery Service" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:06:14 am EDT from 146.115.115.33

Actually, 61% isn't all that much of a lead; the Room is essentially split evenly. And when you take into account the faulty voting system, you can see why I'm not sure any conclusion has been made.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:52:46 am EDT from 70.230.184.108

IP might work, but when I voted it said "2 votes from *insertmyhometownname*". When I voted again (just to see the results), it said, again, "2 votes from *townname*", and that was 2 weeks after my initial vote.

But anyways, I think both paties used that then. 61% with loadsa voters is a lot.
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:50:40 am EDT from 84.191.247.67

Thanks the Phoenix Gate pins will about $10.00
Aaron AKA Halloweenking - [halloweenking28 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:30:09 am EDT from 24.74.46.36

@Brook: Since there is no registration involved, I'm pretty sure you can vote more than once. Either clear your cookies and/or get a new IP address.
Anonymouse
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:27:03 am EDT from 89.246.206.201

@ Matt: You can't. I revisited to see the score, and accidentally voted twice - still, my vote wasn't "added", it was depicted as the same.

I take it seriously, I mean YES was leading pretty much all the time...
Brook
I agree with Rebel on EVERYTHING she says!!
posted @ Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:04:07 am EDT from 84.191.247.67

I don't put much stock in that poll since it is possible to vote more than once.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:46:22 pm EDT from 70.230.156.104

Well, the poll on whether s8 should be a proper forum or a comment room has been up for quite a while now, has accumulated 105 votes, and "Yes" is leading with 61%. Does this mean we can expect a change to a forum? And if so, when?
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:31:11 pm EDT from 75.64.82.30

looks at the post below. the pins are really awsome, how much are they
shara - [jeanie54_2000 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:34:49 pm EDT from 76.170.154.47

i got a hold of some video equipment to make an offical video of the gathering this year. I will be editing the footage on my laptop in my room through out the gatherng. If anyone wants to help out let me know.

also I have some old gargoyle action figures in mint condition unopened box I will be donating to the gathering for the auction this week.
shara - [jeanie54_2000 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:33:51 pm EDT from 76.170.154.47

Hello everyone this year at the gathering I will be selling some Phoenix Gate pins that I made. My goal is to make at least 20 of them. I would like to make more but it takes time to make them. Since I am a procrastinator I wait to the last minute to start them. They will be bigger than a quarter. I was just wondering if anyone would have an interest in getting one? Here is a photo I am not sure I got the link right.Thanks Aaron.

http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i256/halloweenking/?action=view&current=PhoenixPin.jpg
Aaron AKA Halloweenking - [halloweenking28 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 9:45:24 pm EDT from 24.74.46.36

Todd >> Unfortunately, I didn't think to ask about the release date at SLG's booth when I bought CB2 since so many things were going on (my apologies for that).

Regarding Diamond... I heard at Comic-Con that they are unreliable... Whether that's really true or not, I'll never know...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> Still resting...
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 7:52:29 pm EDT from 72.199.80.34

For real. I'm fine waiting another week or two if we must, but I'd like to know if Volume 2 is coming out this week or not so I can schedule my week accordingly.

Anyone?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 7:23:57 pm EDT from 70.230.156.104

If they were able to send copies to the San Diego Comic Con, I would think that it would be ready; I certainly can't see why they'd wait another two weeks (or one and a half weeks) before releasing it, if it was in a good enough condition to be sold there.

Did anyone at the Slave Labor Graphics booth say anything about the release dates at the convention?
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 6:46:17 pm EDT from 4.244.208.169

Greetings freinds.
I am in the process of prepairing for the gathering, and I had several issues I wanted to enlist the help of those here with. First, I am saddened that this will be the final incarnation of te convention. But at the same time quite greatfull that I am able to attend. When I went to Chicago last year, I obviously didnt know what to expect, but when ti was over I couldnt remember the last time I had more fun.

Though regretable, I do understand the reason for ending it. Everything is granted a finite number of moments, before having to end.

Anyway, I wanted to make this Gathering a bit more memorable. 1. By creating several music videos for the contest. But I have never used video softwere, so was not quite sure what to do. I have several choices at a local best buy.
I wanted to use the song "Defender" by Manowar , found here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9E2Lt-T09k
for a video about Goliath. When I heard it, it seemed perfect. The opening lines, spoken by Orsen Wells, feature words like "though weve never met, my only son" "and your mission lies ahead of you" to defend the helpless ones seemed ideal for Goliath.
As well as "The Crown and the Ring" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38BM2ExXbbA about Goliath, Xanatos, and Oberon. Three kings from the story. The lines "high and mighty and lonely are kings" spoke to me.

I was just wanting someones who might be familiar with the right softwere, how to cut clips etc. As well as perhaps choosing the rights scenes to fit the lyrics, I did have my own ideas.

Any one who might be able to help would be greatly appreciated, and I look forward to seeing everyone in LA.
Justin "Id Rather Be Pillaging"
Justin "I'd Rather Be Pillaging"
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 6:23:16 pm EDT from 76.29.2.195

Anthony Tini- Thanks but I wouldn't even have a credit card (Not yet anyway)I be worried i'll be in debt ect
VickyUK - [vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:12:59 pm EDT from 205.188.116.10

Anthony> That stuff looked like it was just for billing/cancellation questions, not a general help-line, but I'll try.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:43:02 pm EDT from 24.99.188.243

Hello,

Just wondering if anyone happens to be seeking roomies for The Gathering this year, Please hit me with an e-mail if you are. :)

<edit> Or Aim/ICQ me, my aim is Kaelarkaemis my icq is 93119209
Kael Arkaemis - [kaelarkaemis_at_gmail_dot_com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:41:30 pm EDT from 70.184.241.254

Kerry (Kth) Boyd> Did you try e-mailing Verotel Customer Support Team at support@verotel.com or by calling:

US local:+1 415 543 1300
US toll free:+1 877 647 1300
EU toll free:+00 800 4422 9999

VickyUK> There is www.creditcard.com. Since you're in the UK, I'd try this: http://uk.creditcards.com/

Landon> Well, SLG FedEx'ed copies to Greg Weisman at Comic Con and their website promised July, so I guess we can call our comic guy and see if it came in. If it does, I don't know how Diamond missed it, but I have a feeling it's not ready and will be coming out after Bad Guys like you surmise.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:37:57 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Hello,

Just wondering if anyone happens to be seeking roomies for The Gathering this year, Please hit me with an e-mail if you are. :)
Kael Arkaemis - [kaelarkaemis_at_gmail_dot_com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:22:09 pm EDT from 70.184.241.254

Gargoyles: Bad Guys is coming out on 8/5 according to Diamond: http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/upcomingreleases.txt SLG projected that release date weeks ago. However, neither shipping list mentions Clan-Building volume 2 so it could come out after BG. I guess we'll see if the book stores get it in this week.
Landon Thomas - [lumpmoose at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:59:15 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

I wanted to sign up for Blue Mug but i don't have a credit card only a debit card.
VickyUK - [vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:21:03 pm EDT from 205.188.116.10

Arg. The Blue Mug signup process still isn't working for me, and it won't tell me why. At least then I'd know what I could do about it. -..-
Kerry (Kth) Boyd
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:57:15 am EDT from 24.99.188.243

And Tom had been given adult responsibilities when Princess Katharine appointed him "Guardian of the Eggs". That was depicted as almost like being dubbed a knight (especially with Katharine giving him the tap on the shoulder with the flat of her knife).

The scene reminded me of the end of "The Once and Future King" when King Arthur, on the eve of his final battle with Mordred, dubs his young page (also named Tom - Greg Weisman said that he was indeed influenced by White's work here) a knight and sends him away to keep the memory of Camelot alive. (This Tom grows up to be Sir Thomas Malory, author of "Le Morte d'Arthur", one of the leading works of Arthurian literature - which Arthur was even seen consulting in "Gargoyles #8".)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:22:56 am EDT from 198.209.226.130

Re: Tom and Mary - Keep in mind that human life expectancy in the 10th century was about 35, and "childhood" (for males especially) did not last until age 18 to 20 like it does today. By the standards of the day, Tom was not very far off from being expected to work and start a family of his own. And those standards were still hundreds of years away from changing... as you can see if you read anything by Dickens.

Reposting this for the benefit of those who may not have seen it before the room rolled over:

We've just put some new stuff up on eBay and one of the pieces is an ORIGINAL page from "Bad Guys" by Karine Charlebois. In the past, this sort of thing has typically been available only in the silent auction at the convention. This is a chance for those who can't attend to have a shot at purchasing original comic book art.

The art is for page 24 of issue 4, "Louse", of the "Bad Guys" mini-series. It's done in ink on bristol board and measures 11"x17". It is signed by the artist. The page features all the characters of the Redemption Squad, and portrays the inclusion of Fang into the team, much to Dingo's shock and Yama's displeasure.

To view this item and others currently up for bids, please visit:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/gargoyles-convention/

25 days left until the 13th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles in Los Angeles, CA!
Patrick - [<-- Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 9:29:46 am EDT from 173.88.135.205

My "brilliant" plan to obtain Gargoyles #2 from Barnes and Noble on Saturday failed misserably. Anyway, I was looking at the unanswered questions this morning and one stuck out to me. One of the question asked was how could Mary just leave her son on Avalon like that. Although I can't answer that, I can give a similar experience from my own family. A somewhat distant relative (my dad's cousins husband) was born in Nazi Germany in 1937. After WWII, he and his mother lived in USSR controlled East Germany. When he was 9, his mother arranged for him to be smuggled out of Germany and sent to the US to live with relatives. She took him to the border between East and West Germany under the assumption that he was staying with relatives in West Germany (at the time, only one family member could cross the boarder for fear that everyone would leave). She brought him to the boarder knowing that she might never see her son again. That takes courage.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 9:04:39 am EDT from 170.112.1.251

Phoenician - Yup, the season 1 boxset of Spectacular Spider-Man comes out tomorrow. Here are some reviews:

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/dvdizzy/spectacularspiderman-season1-972.html
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/37907/spectacular-spider-man-complete-first-season/
http://dvd.ign.com/articles/100/1004514p1.html
http://wfdvdreport.com/index.php?action=fullnews&id=1019

Here's also some details from Greg's Comic-Con panel: http://www.comicvine.com/news/comic-con-spectacular-spider-man-live-blog/138990/

I assume this is paraphrased from Greg: "Don't forget, Season 1 box set comes out on Tuesday. Buying that could help make Season 3 happen."
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:41:40 am EDT from 216.250.163.157

10TH!
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 6:46:10 am EDT from 70.230.160.33

Nth.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Finally, you're thinking like a true gargoyle." -Demona ("Hunter's Moon")
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 6:40:08 am EDT from 70.177.182.14

8th
VickyUK - [vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 5:46:22 am EDT from 205.188.116.10

mochi haha neato. I should of gone to that pannel to support greg unfortunatly it was during something else I wanted to see. I'm not a big enough spiderman fan to support that show, however i support greg. hehe. I am waiting for the blue mug site to start up though hehe.

The true blood party was fun. Met the cast of heros at the heros after party *L* that was nuts.
shara - [jeanie54_2000 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:12:24 am EDT from 76.170.154.47

(6th)Sixth!!!!!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:47:16 am EDT from 69.54.209.21

Fifth~!!

I survived Comic-Con~!! Today, I went to the Spectacular Spider-Man panel. It was awesome! There were even a few Gargoyles fans in attendance (me included)!

I was able to record the entire panel with the exception of the footage presented on the big screens since that's not allowed. Would love to share it with everyone!

Phoenician >> Yes, they are coming out this week!
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>_-_)> I survived Comic-Con 2009~!!! Now I get to rest...
posted @ Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:08:32 am EDT from 72.199.80.34

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