One other tidbit from last week's "Voices From the Eyrie" podcast I forgot to mention: Greg Weisman revealed that during the making of "Eye of the Storm", they at one point considered including Loki in it, as a fifth mythological trickster. Given his interest in tricksters, I'm not surprised, but I think they did the right thing in leaving him out; his presence would have made the stage a bit too crowded - and, in particular, might have drawn attention away from the core element of Goliath being corrupted by the Eye of Odin. I wonder if they'll bring that up again when we get the "Voices From the Eyrie" podcast on "Eye of the Storm" (now just two podcasts away).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, May 1, 2025 9:09:29 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

Jack of Porta Potty is definitely one of my new favorite spammers. Is that like, "Jack of all porta potties, master of none"?
Craig
posted @ Thu, May 1, 2025 8:51:49 am EDT from 69.118.30.106

What Jack Jacbob is trying to say is "Great work, Jurgen!"

And that goes double for me. That is very cool.

Two days until FCBD!
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Thu, May 1, 2025 8:22:43 am EDT from 204.184.178.1

I loved this show as a kid and wished they would of done more with this concept. Jack of https://portapottyrentalaustintexas.com/
Jack Jacbob - [jkoenzuraida at gmail dot com]
Jack Jacbob
posted @ Thu, May 1, 2025 4:51:37 am EDT from 69.24.229.224

Congrats from me too Jurgan.
Antiyonder
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 8:55:47 pm EDT from 68.119.3.1

Congratulations, Dr. Jurgan!
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 7:38:47 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

Congratulations, Jurgan! Quite an accomplishment, and well-earned, I'm sure. I'm with Matthew. Math was never my strong suit, and I'm in awe of people whose minds work that way.

And I, too, am very excited for FCBD. Slightly (irrationally) nervous that Demona #0 might be gone before I can get there, but I'm sure it will be fine (and if worse comes to worst, I'm sure there will be copies on eBay).
Craig
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 7:05:34 pm EDT from 69.118.30.106

Congratulations, Jurgan!

I'm truly looking forward to Free Comic Book Day this Saturday. Despite participating every year and finding a new comic here and there, I'm ecstatic to have something to actively want and read :--)
Phoenician
Gus: "I always forget you're there." Hooty: "I forget I'm here toooooo."
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 3:16:02 pm EDT from 72.249.221.26

Congrats, Jurgan!
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 2:05:15 pm EDT from 67.189.200.184

Congratulations, Jurgan! Mathematics was never my strong point so that's doubly impressive for me.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 12:48:18 pm EDT from 135.180.3.149

Thought some of y’all might like to know that I just successfully defended my dissertation. So, once I make a few edits and fill out some paperwork, I will have a Ph.D. in Mathematics! Been a long road, and S8 has been there the whole way.
Jurgan
“That’s DOCTOR Sevarius, to you.”
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 12:41:52 pm EDT from 174.240.22.158

MATTHEW - Thanks for the information. So it *is* just a coincidence.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 9:06:03 am EDT from 68.99.93.213

Todd> The designation for Earth 616 comes from Dave Thorpe who was writing Captain Britain at the time and considering the amount of multiverse versions of the character needed a number for the "main" setting. Funny thing, he used 616 (one of the variants for the Number of the Beast) partially because he wasn't a fan of the superhero genre.

As for Earth 16, from what I remember Greg was looking for a number that hadn't been used yet for DC's multiverse designations and found it fit well considering the emphasis on teenage superheroes. I figured it was a happy coincidence that there was a similarity to Marvel's 616.

Annihilus is a pretty good choice for a baddie. He's been around since the days of Lee and Kirby which works well for Greg as his work on Spider-Man drew a lot of inspiration from the older comics. And as a bonus he's not a villain that's been overused, though plenty will remember him as the big threat from the 2006 space-epic crossover "Annihilation."
Matthew the Fedora Guy
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2025 12:23:39 am EDT from 135.180.3.149

In relation to some shared casting with the 90s Fantastic Four animated series, Keith David and Richard Grieco were the first to depict T'Challa/Black Panther and Ghost Rider.
Antiyonder
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 11:14:07 pm EDT from 68.119.3.1

I decided to look up both the Gargoyle and Annihilus, by the way. I found out that the Gargoyle was actually originally a villain for the Incredible Hulk instead of the Fantastic Four - but he's still a Marvel villain.

As for Annihilus, I found out that he's from the Negative Zone - which fits the mention in the solicitation about some of the action being set there - but the on-line piece on him that I consulted said that apparently the regular Marvel Universe is known by the number "616". Now I'm wondering if the world of "Young Justice" being called "Earth-16" was intended as a hommage to that.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 10:36:07 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

One thing I hope for this, above all else, is that Greg has a tremendous amount of fun writing it. If so, and I expect so, it ought to be a hoot to read, even if the characters and universes get a bit sideways in the process.
morrand - [morrand276 at gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 9:02:46 pm EDT from 76.227.131.129

I agree with Matt that it's more likely to fall into the same category as the radio play crossovers - and, as I said last week, there'll probably be some note indicating that this is "apocrypha" rather than "canon".

One thing I *am* expecting is for Greg Weisman to handle the Fantastic Four elements in such a way that "Gargoyles" fans reading it who've only a nodding familiarity with the Fantastic Four (such as myself) will be able to understand those elements - or at least, as much of them as is necessary to follow the story. (I know who the Fantastic Four are, I've heard of Franklin Richards, and the Gargoyle - as I said last week, a Fantastic Four villain with a name like that was inevitable for the crossover. I hadn't heard of Annihilus before - though someone with a name like that is clearly a super-villain. I hadn't heard of Valeria Richards either, though I looked her entry up at the GargWiki - and was astounded at the part about who her godfather was.) I'm basing this on having seen the first two seasons of "Young Justice"; my knowledge of DC Comics is minimal as well, but I understood who the different characters were, and got enough information about them to be able to follow the story. I think it's safe to assume that Greg will do the same thing with the "Fantastic Four" elements.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 8:20:49 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

I don't think any of this is going to be considered canon. Though elements of it might end up in canon one day. I look at it kind of like the various crossover Radio Plays. They're fun in their way and some stuff ends up being canon, but the story itself is not. At least, that's how I'll look at it until I have reason to think otherwise. I definitely echo Craig's thought about Gargoyles being its own universe. I don't want it to be anything but that. Even "The Last" (the Team Atlantis episode that was never fully made) gives me some pause to this day.

Anyway, yeah, lots of mixed feelings on this whole thing, but trying to focus on the positives to the franchise more than anything. I trust the art and story will be good. And I trust Greg to handle all of it well as to not mess up the established Gargoyles Universe in any way. So, we'll see. But I'm not interested in fretting about things until after I've read it, and most likely I will not have to fret at all.
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 7:30:39 pm EDT from 47.233.90.133

Hmm. I fully trust Greg to keep everyone in character. Both his own characters and the Marvel ones. My concern is more about the integrity of the world-building and mythology. The Marvel universe comes with SO much baggage that's either flat-out incompatible with the Gargoyles universe, or at the very least would materially alter it. I've always appreciated that Gargoyles is its own hermetically-sealed world, where many different influences can be brought in, but they're always filtered through Greg's singular viewpoint so that it all feels consistent. If this crossover is canon and begins to merge the Gargoyles world with the very messy and convoluted sixty years of Marvel history, it's going to be a lot tougher to keep track of what's "real" in the world of Gargoyles.
Craig
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 6:30:44 pm EDT from 69.118.30.106

I thinking about the upcoming Fantastic Four/Gargoyles crossover and some of my concerns, or rather how best to articulate them. Then I remembered a fan project from Deviantart known as Earth-27, mostly because the artist who works on it is obviously emulating Phil Bourrassa's character style on Young Justice.

Earth-27 began as a fan project based on the DC universe drawing from inspiration from the comics, the DCAU, Young Justice and the Arrowverse. The big problem is that each of these different adaptations have characterization that's wildly different from one another that trying to stick all of those characterizations together was going to make it messy at best. Green Arrow in Young Justice is a wholly different person than the one from Arrow and trying to combine the two makes for a chimeric character that's incredibly inconsistent.

And that's not even getting into the fact that Earth-27 later started crossing over with a multitude of different properties from Marvel to Supernatural to frikkin' Captain Planet and trying to retroactively make them work within the same universe.

I guess what was the big concern for me is that in order to make the crossover work, the cast is going have to act wildly out of character. I know it's unlikely, Greg has always strived for consistency in his own projects and has enough experience with Marvel to write the First Family well enough. But comics have a history of writing their heroes out-of-character when it comes to crossovers and it's hard to just do away with those concerns.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 6:13:12 pm EDT from 135.180.3.149

Thank you for at least such an answer. Unfortunately, there is no official information about her! There was hope that Greg would be able to answer something about this. And so that his information would be considered canon. In general, there is a lot that is unclear about the witch. The same pathfinder, it is unclear who he is.
Alexander - [golenko-2000 at bk dot ru]
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 2:13:02 pm EDT from 95.153.161.113

ALEXANDER: Miranda is a character exclusive to the "W.I.T.C.H." TV series rather than the comics, and doesn't appear to have a canon age. It's sort of hard to gauge in her true form, given that she's a furball...spider...monster-thing. But for my own sanity, I'm going to assume she is an adult for her species, since she's explicitly in a romantic relationship with the adult Cedric.

Her human form is purely a disguise, so I wouldn't use it to judge her "real" age. As for why she chose the guise of a child? Well the first thing she needed it for was providing Elyon a companion while she was in Meridian (as part of Phobos' scheme to lull her into a false sense of security while she developed her powers, until he could steal them from her), for which an appearance roughly the same age as Elyon made sense.

After the jig was up, I assume she just kept reusing that same human guise out of habit (and out-of-universe, so the animators didn't need to design a new model) and because it came in handy from time to time, like pretending to be a student in "C is for Changes."

As for whether they love each other, there's no real reason to doubt them on that point. They say so explicitly (prompting a choice response from Irma/Hay Lin), and Miranda serves him faithfully throughout the finale, even when his wording ("Take command and take this power!") arguably has just the same loophole that allowed Cedric to eat Phobos ("Then a fraction of my power you shall have").
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"You said everything has a name. I'll name this ability of mine too. 'Stone Free.' Because I'll become free of this ocean of stone." - Jolyne Cujoh
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2025 12:16:21 am EDT from 76.173.137.179

I can't help wondering whether the anticipation has been increased by the mention that we're getting not only the prologue to Demona's story in that issue, but a preview of the upcoming Fantastic Four crossover.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2025 9:32:41 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

Third.

C'mon, Saturday, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon...
morrand - [morrand276 at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2025 6:00:29 pm EDT from 108.69.72.60

I see. I'm just curious if he can answer? And the question was about the last episode. There are two characters in a love story. Miranda and Cedric. How old is Miranda? Why does she look like a child? How old is she? Do they love each other? If you know, answer. I will be very grateful to you.
Alexander - [golenko-2000 at bk dot ru]
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2025 2:31:42 pm EDT from 95.153.162.170

First!

After a long four months, Free Comic Book Day is this week! We'll finally get back into new material coming out!
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2025 8:24:17 am EDT from 204.184.178.1