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Matthew > [SPOILER] True! Although he did initially refer to Comet Guy as a "hideous alien monstrosity," again making it seem unlikely that a neighboring human-populated city exists in his world. But, again, elastic Darkwing continuity is definitely a thing, and this is all just for fun anyway.

It's worth noting that Carl Barks actually wanted to draw humans into his Donald Duck comic stories, and did for several years, but his editor eventually reined him in and forced him to switch back to the "dognose" characters (who basically are just humans with weird noses and ears that don't even really look like dogs).

Plus, "Twitching Channels" already kind of covered the 'Howard the Duck' beats with Darkwing, so there was no real sense repeating that. [/SPOILER]

Craig

Craig> [SPOILER] He's sort of dealt with humans before. There was Comet Guy and his whole planet. [/SPOILER]
Matthew the Fedora Guy
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Matthew > [SPOILER] Ha, yeah, funnily, I was actually more weirded-out by DW not being horrified by humans, as opposed to the vice-versa.
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Craig

Craig> As a famous Muppet rat once put it, "Eh, it's New York."
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Matthew the Fedora Guy > [SPOILER] Actually, the Quackronomicon was in the TV episode "My Valentine Ghoul." I have a bit of trivia about that, but I'm going to save it for a future issue since it's potentially spoiler-ish.

Oh, and technically, Morgana was a villain for one-AND-A-HALF episodes (see "Ghoul of My Dreams"). [/SPOILER]


Todd > [SPOILER] I too was amused/intrigued/perplexed by what appears to be a tribute to F. Murray Abraham in two of the thugs' names.

And like both you and Matthew, I was a bit surprised how blase everyone is about anthropomorphic ducks and humans co-existing; especially since DW once referred to humans as "hideous beakless mutants" when he crossed into our world in the episode "Twitching Channels." But then again, Tad Stones has always been anti-continuity, and the later episode "A Star Is Scorned" directly contradicted "Twitching Channels."
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Craig

And one little piece of convenient timing about [SPOILER] Murray, Abraham, and Norman's pie guns (including Darkwing preferring banana cream over chocolate for pie flavor) - the very next episode of "Gargoyles" to be covered on "Voices From the Eyrie" is "Vendettas". A review of this issue will be the perfect match for the "deep-dive" of that episode.

And, although I'd already brought it up a couple of weeks ago when discussing the preview pages, I still get a kick out of the name for the magic mirror. [/SPOILER]

Todd Jensen

You know with the influx of the bots and the number of delays, I completely forgot a new comic dropped today. So without further ado, here's some thoughts on the latest crossover.

[SPOILER] So right away it's established that both Gargoyles Manhattan and DW St. Canard occupy the same universe, much like the crossover with the Fantastic Four there's no justification given, they just act like it's always been this way. It does lead to some odd though funny moments where humans briefly question the presence of an anthropomorphic duck, but then it's quickly brushed off. I guess this story setting is Quack Pack-like.

Anyway, we get a new magical incantation here and best I can translate it reads as, “With strong will and great need...Thrust through the veil of Dromio’s mirror.” If anyone's Latin is better, feel free to correct. Interestingly enough, the word used for mirror "speculum" is also used in identifying male ducks from females. Apropos for this story, eh? And we get another Shakespeare reference too.

Much like the other crossover it's a villain kickstarting the plot. In this case, Demona kidnapping Morgana. Is she aware Morgana was only doing the villainy thing for one episode? Anyway, said sinister snatching sets St. Canard's stalwart sentinel straight to the City that Never Sleeps...as soon as Eek and Squeak clue him in...and Gosalyn translates for him. I really like the part at the beginning where DW is battling a trio of bank robbers and is thoroughly disappointed that it's just some guys with pie cannons. Mmm, someone should probably tell Dr. Bellum that her pie technology has hit the streets, could be a leak inside of S.H.U.S.H.

The hijinks that ensue really capture the feel of the old cartoon, so full credit to Tad and Greg for their work in plotting. It got to the point that I was busting out my Jim Cummings impression for Darkwing's dialogue just for the full effect. Actually, knowing Jim's history of improv and how the show would just let him do his jokes if they were funnier than the script, I wonder if the two of them approached the writing with a "What Would Jim Do?" mindset. There was certainly a lot more quips on the Gargoyles-side of things, made the tone closer to something like "Vendettas."

So I was partially right and DW was ready to do a "two heroes get into a fight over some misunderstanding" though in this case the reasons weren't selfish and Goliath and Eliza figured things out pretty quickly. But we end on an interesting cliffhanger, the reason for Demona's plot in the first place, she wants the Quackronomicon. I'll have to do a bit of research but I'm pretty sure that was an element from the (sadly) short-lived Darkwing Duck comic which feature F.O.W.L. trying to summon Duckthulu. If that ends up being the case, gargoyles could get it's first encounter with cosmic horror.

Oh, one last thing. I noticed Greg referenced Young Justice again, this time with the "Big Rutabaga" bit. [/SPOILER]


That's all for now. But I'm definitely looking forward to the next issue. Thanks Greg and Tad for the laughs.

Matthew the Fedora Guy
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On the first issue of the "Gargoyles"/"Darkwing Duck" crossover:

[SPOILER] I was a bit surprised that they portrayed Manhattan and St. Canard as in the same world, given that one's inhabited by humans and the other by anthopomorphic ducks and other animals - apparently they're going the same route as the crossover with the Fantastic Four. (Demona's means of grabbing hold of Morgana - transporting her through a magic mirror - had led me to at least half-expect them to be in separate worlds brought into magical contact - though that would have raised the question of how Darkwing, minus access to magic, could travel to Manhattan.) Of course, this is a "just-for-fun" apocrypha crossover, so taking that approach probably made sense.

And, yes, as I'd expected, Darkwing does get into that "confrontation based on a misunderstanding" with Goliath - at least, until the "match called on account of sunrise".

Got a chuckle out of two of the new set of bank robbers in St. Canard bearing the names of "Murray" and "Abraham" (I'm wondering where "Norman" fits into that) - and they're also using pie guns, if with a different flavor (and Darkwing even mentions prefering banana cream). And then the three street thugs are shown as their counterparts in Manhattan.

And, naturally, Brendan and Margot are astonished bystanders as Darkwing motorcycles into town (though at least they don't get into quite as much danger as the last time they were present in a crossover).

Looking forward to #2 (which, I hope, won't run into the same series of delays). [/SPOILER]

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I'm not quite certain that I'm following you. You seem to be suggesting at first that the series should have not given the gargoyles other than Goliath names, but later on, seem to be suggesting instead that it should have done so, but under different circumstances than the way the actual "Awakening" multi-parter did it. Or have I misinterpreted your post?
Todd Jensen

Hello, just wanted to ask a question: I once read somewhere that Greg once considered not giving the other Gargoyles of the Manhattan Clan names sans Goliath to really emphasize the difference between Human and Gargoyle but since even something has to be called something thus Hudson, Brooklyn, Broadway, Lexington, and Bronx all eventually receiving their names.

If true, a part of me still believes that concept could have still been possible. Although I do like the way Hudson named himself so banally after he asked what the Hudson River was called and the Trio probably encountered each of their namesakes when they were exploring Manhattan for the first time, I like this idea I have of, through short time skips/as she shows Goliath around Manhattan through multiple nights, Elisa responding to a call and finding each Gargoyle in their eventual namesakes (sans Bronx who gets named by an attempt of the Gargoyles)

Might be asking a too much for the "Awakening" Quint-Opener - especially how it sounds like it's a messy splice of each of member of the Manhattan Clan getting their own spotlight episode mixed in with Awakening, but I dunno, I think of small changes and ideas like that sometimes when I find factoids of cut concepts like that and then seeing how if it can still be applied in contrast to the final product.

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Fourth!
And I hope everyone had a good Groundhog Day, and hopefully one that wasn't on repeat.

Matthew the Fedora Guy
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And happy Groundhog Day, everyone!

Matt
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And happy Groundhog Day, everyone!

Todd Jensen