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THE GREEN-EYED GARGOYLE
Demona has an interesting moment at the end of "The Mirror" when she marvels at the warmth of the sun. If you don't mind me reading into it a little, it's a loaded statement. It implies a jealousy of humans that I have a hard time equating with what I consider her standard jealousies, e.g. "they outnumber us," "they force us out of our homes," "history has given them more lucky breaks," etc. She's usually able to exhibit these other jealousies while retaining her sense of moral and physical superiority ("the gift of being a gargoyle," as she calls it in front of Puck).
But this new jealousy shows a desire of something that is *inherently* human. The capacity to see or feel the sun is something that is (or should be, sans sorcery) completely incompatible with being a gargoyle. It would be like a human lamenting the fact that he wasn't born with wings; it's kind of a futile gesture (which is why I also find Hudson's wistful comment at the end of the episode so odd). It implies for the first time that not only has Demona desired what the humans have accomplished or acquired, but that she may, on a very subconscious level, have wished that she had been born human....been born onto the winning team, the side with the upper hand, the strategically superior side. If this desire did exist before this moment at the window, it's certainly not something she would ever admit to, even to herself.
DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR
This kind of racial jealousy notwithstanding, I suppose there's another interpretation of her "reverence" of the sun. Knowing that no other gargoyle had ever experienced what she was now experiencing, I'm sure Demona felt a new kind of superiority over all of her own kind now, as well. To know the sun as she now did, unlike every other gargoyle since the beginning of time, must have been very empowering--adding a physical element to the moral superiority she already feels over Goliath and his clan (who are, as far as she knows, the rest of her entire race at this point). I'm sure that the 15 seconds before she looked in the mirror were a very religious experience for her.
And this new kind of Messiah-esque superiority gives new meaning to the password she chooses in "City of Stone." It certainly *is* usually lonely at the top.
Now I wish that some of this stuff had occurred to me before the Demona "alone" contest way back when.
Anyway, these are just my musings. Any thoughts? Which side, if either, do you fall on?
Wow. That's a great post. Seriously. I love it. And I like both interpretations. I find them both very convincing, and I hardly think they're mutually exclusive either.
I'm trying to remember if any of that was in my head eleven/twelve years ago. I do think there's always a bit of worship wrapped up in our fear and loathing of the other. Anything we attribute that much power to has got to hold some awe. And Demona's superiority-complex is well-documented in the show, I think. But the specific light you shined on that moment above... I'm not sure I ever looked at it quite that way before or quite that second way before either.
Keep up the musings, skeeJay. That was enlightening.
Howcome there's still been no word on Season 2 Volume 2? I can't speak for everyone here, but I've loved this show since I was 4 years old. I didn't really get to start seriously watching it until I was a bit older. I understand that the sales on the other dvds were not as high as what Disney wanted, but what does that tell us? Most of the time all Disney is interested in, is squeezing every last penny out of every person they can. So the sales could've been high enough to do the rest of Season 2 and Season 3. But still, what of the true fans? I've heard that some of the fans just didn't spread the word or just didn't buy the dvds. But what of the fans that did buy them? I went and bought season 1 and Season 2 volume 1. I can promise that I WOULD buy Season 2 volume 2 and Season 3 if they were released. Plus being a hardcore Star Trek fan, I also have a special loyalty to Gargoyles with having so many Star Trek actors voicing characters on Gargoyles. I'm not trying to demand the rest of the series right this second. But I still really want to at LEAST see the rest of season 2 out on dvd. Do you think that the second half of season 2 and season 3 will ever come out? I think Disney should finish what they started. I mean it would be different if Gargoyles had been on for years and had like 7 seasons or something with full 26 episode seasons. But it only had 3! 2 of those seasons only having 13 episodes. Disney has so much money as it is, I don't think asking for the rest of Gargoyles is really asking all that much...
Benji, you are preaching to the converted.
I'd love to get at least the second half of Season Two. But right now, I don't even have a liason at BVHE. (There's been quite a bit of turnover there over the years.)
Again, I'm not BLAMING the fans -- particularly the hardcore fans, who have been so great. But it doesn't change the simple fact that the DVDs didn't sell enough to MAINTAIN BVHE's intense interest. So now we have to get their attention all over again.
You can complain all you want about how it SHOULD be. I'm simply trying to tell you how it IS.
1a)Do you know at what point the Ishimuran clan was the last gargoyle clan living in Japan?
1b)if so, by what point?
1c)If the answer to 1b makes this question obsolete, please ignore it: During World War 2, were there any gargoyle clans living in Japan outside of Ishimura?
1a. I honestly haven't done enough research to be able to answer this question yet.
1b. See above.
1c. I doubt it, but I'm not committing to that answer yet.
Not so much a question as an exclaimation! AAAAHHHH! THAILOG'S BACK! (Which was what I said in the store too) I waited outside my local comic store for Issue #3 until they opened and I am pleased to say that I was not dissapointed. I cannot wait for issue #4 (and yet sadly I must) I also cannot wait until Pigeon Forge. (Which reminds me, I still haven't submitted my Journal from Gathering '06) That was my first Gathering.
Oh wait, I guess I do have a quetion: Where are Hudson and Bronx off too? (I have a guess...)
Stone Warriors Rule-Chip
Sorry, Chip, but you'll have to wait until issue #4 to find that out.
Wow. It seems like I'm posting the first issue #3 review here. Cool. :D
Thank you for the first (and the first of many more to come) canon Gargs story in 11 years. It is really great.
Okay, enough of the euphoric gratitude and onto the review.
STORY: It was great. Top-notch writing done here. I felt for Goliath, going through that discussion with Elisa, and though I was in a slight state of "Arrrrrrgh....!" with her there, I could also kind of understand where she was coming from. Looking forward to seeing how this will get resolved later on, Greg. Moving along, it was great seeing Demona again. Ditto with Talon and Maggie (though they're not my favorites, I still didn't care. It is the 1st canon story in over a decade and I embrace every element of it.), along with the clones. And is it just me, or is Brooklyn starting to have a thing for Delilah now? She says "Hello" to him, and the next couple of panels just make it seem like he was aggravated with Goliath beating him to the punch. *sighs* Poor guy. Brooklyn just can't get a break. Well, at least until 'Timedancer' comes along, that is.
ART: The artwork is great here. The characters seem to be drawn well, though they looked... off... in some panels, I was able to let it go, b/c it was a rare oddity. Great little touches put in there (i.e. Alex's gargoyle costume.) that were cool. Talon was... okay-looking, but it's still early in the series (comic-wise, anyway) so I'm sure he'll improve design-wise. That close-up of Thailog's leering grin in the last panel gave me the willies. *shivers* Of course, I loved it. :) Hell, just the cover alone had me stoked. I felt like a carnivorous (sp?) dino at a McDonald's. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
Hindsight, this issue gets a perfect 10 out of me. The art could still use some work (Matt looked weird in his first panel, and Talon was okay for a 1st time appearence.), but the story captured my interest in the beginning, broadened it in the middle, and had me on the edge of my seat at the end. I definitely can't wait for #4. Kudos for the great writing, Greg. I'll buy you a soda or something at the next con for that.
I picked up the book myself yesterday, and was kinda psyched and yet frustrated, cuz I now can't wait to see your response to issues 4 and 5 (and 6 and 7). I'm scripting issue #8 now (having also completed Gargoyles: Bad Guys #1). That's the curse of being ahead. Just as you guys have to wait to see the stuff, I have to wait FOR you to see it all.
Are changelings called to the Gathering?
Probably depends on what their status was pre-diaspora, i.e. 1001 years ago.
Brooklyn seems to be the one character most synonymous with the troubled teen, teen angst if you will. Like many human teens, Brooklyn has been seen dealing with his share of depression derived from a feeling of loneliness; seen in episodes like Temptation, Journey, and episodes featuring Maggie. Even though he is surrounded by family he still feels distant, this is made even clearer when he takes on the leadership role during the world tour. He seems to feel even more alone in Journey, especially now that Angela has chosen Broadway. My questions would be:
Where do you see Brooklyn's character going from the ep. Journey? The episode seems to be setting something up...
What other issues or hardships do you see him facing?
Will his relationship with the other members of the clan change in the coming comic issues, if they haven't already?
Thank you for your time.
1. Brooklyn is having a hard time now. And things will get worse before they get better.
2. Little things. ;)
3. Everything evolves, in my opinion, and Brooklyn's relationships are no different.
If I seem a bit vague, it's intentional. With new issues coming out every other month, I hate to spoil more than I already have.
Wow. They said it couldn't be done! But I did it! I caught up!!!!!
The ASK GREG queue is empty! I'm going to take a week or so off. Then we will open the queue again in time for the release of issue #3 of the Gargoyles comic book on March 28th. How long we leave it open will depend on how quickly the site floods.
I'll talk about this more when we open, but please question responsibly.
Hi Greg, Happy New Year. Did you get Gargoyles Season One and Season Two, Volume One on DVD at Amazon.com to increase sales to get Season Two, Volume Two released? Thank you.
There are no current plans to release Season Two, Volume Two. We have to continue spreading the word. I have not given up. Don't you give up either.
If Goliath and Elisa had chidren what would they name them?
I have no response to this question. Sorry.
This is less serious than my last post.
It had occured to me the other day while watching the Green that the Guatamalan clan and all the other clans take names. Some of them such as the Griff's clan have had contact for some time with humans, but what's Zafiro excuse. Is it only a Wyvern Clan tradition, not a gargoyle tradition across cultures, to remain nameless?
Only the four pendant wearers had names. Unfortunately, only the four pendant wearers were still alive.
Is there any significance to loincloth color for the gargs? Goliath and Hudson, both leaders, have brown, whereas the Trio has blue.
None that I know of.
I don't have an actual question, I just want to say that the first episode of Gargoyles aired on my birthday (not my FIRST birthday, one of the ones that came later), so I wanted to thank you for the birthday present, Greg.
You're welcome. And Happy Birthday.
I've been a fan of Gargoyles since the show first came out, and that hasn't changed. I know Broadway and Angela end up together, but early on I got the impression that Broadway sort of had a crush on Elisa. (IE, showing up randomly at her place to grab a meal or watch a movie, and so on) Was that in any way true, or was my thirteen-year-old self just reading too much into it at the time?
I think Broadway really liked Elisa -- and appreciated her... uh... feminine influence. But I don't think he ever had a sexual interest in her.
You mentioned in response to a recent question from DPH that Oberon overthrew Queen Mab and married Titania after he fathered Merlin. Did I read this correctly? I certainly found it intriguing, since I'd always assumed that Oberon took over from Mab long before Merlin's birth. (I suppose that this also means, again if I read your response correctly, that Oberon wasn't cheating on Titania after all when he begat Merlin.)
I take it that this also means that Shakespeare's portrayal of Oberon and Titania as a married couple in Theseus's time was an anachronism in the Gargoyles Universe? (Though it's probably no worse than the fact that Bottom and his fellow amateur actors seem more like Elizabethan Englishmen than ancient Athenians.)
Yes, I see the era-combining of Theseus and a married Oberon/Titania as being fairly Xena-esque in its anachronism.
Hi greg ... answer this to me:
For that the equipment(team) atlantis was to francia ... has connection with the gargoyles the history?
Um... I'm really sorry, but I can't figure out what you're asking here.
But perhaps if you checked out the Team Atlantis Archive here at ASK GREG, you'd find your question already answered.
Dear Greg Weisman
When I watched Gargoyles, I couldn't help noticing that you employ a lot of non-white characters in important positions in the series. For Example, in Dracon's mafia like gang, you put a black man (Glasses) as the "brains" behind the criminal organization. You have black men masquerading as ninjas in the episode (Bushido), which is extremely odd since many Japanese do not think highly of people with African Ancestory. And you put a mixed race women as the leading female character (Elisa) instead of a white blond women. In reality Mr. Weisman, a black man is far more likely to be a convicted murderer then the possibility of a black man being a medical doctor. In the epidode Bushido, you created a gargoyle clan which co-exists in harmony with Japanese people, why didn't you place the village in somewhere in Europe where you have Gargoyles peacefully coexisting with "White People". I am confused because when you use a lot of non-white characters, you send a message that white people and European cultures are bad, while non-white people and non-white cultures are good, even though in reality the opposite is true. Also a final comment, I also notice that you are Jewish, I did read somewhere that Jews are high prevailent among those who control the media, and many Jewish writers try to protray non-white characters as noble. inteligent etc, when in reality, such protrays are not realistice. You have to ackknowlege that American Blacks have an IQ of 85 compared to a white IQ of 100, Blacks commit over half of the crimes in the USA, even though you protray many criminals in Gargoyles as being white and evil.
You sound like a virulent and ignorant racist and biggot.
Hey! For a long time now I've wanted to write and tell you how much I loved the 2nd season of WITCH. That show is great! I started watching it when I heard that you were working on the show. I figured if you could make Gargoyles great, WITCH had to be near its equal. The first season was good. It was interesting enough for me to want to continue watching it. I'm glad I did because you all did an awesome job on the 2nd season.
It's been a while since I've seen the show (I've seen them all), but I have to say that I loved how you put the characters Marco and Brenda (referring to Margot and Brendan) in the episode where Cornelia's sister gets her powers. I'm sure all Gargoyle fans appreciated that one. I also liked how some of the bad guys in the middle of the season (I forget their names) looked like gargoyles. I am referring to their wings and tails. One was an ice guy and the other was a fire girl (I remember the girl reminded me of Hyena).
And you can't forget Matt turning into Shagon. That was pleasantly unexpected. What was better was when he went good again and regained his power. Matt's got to be my favorite character. He really has a better story to him this time around. He wasn't a big character in the first season and I'm glad he grew to a regular character seen in the 2nd season. Plus, I really like the guy who plays his voice. He does a lot of character voices and it is easy to point out his voice because it sounds different than others. He is very talented.
I also liked the fact that you gave Will some power in this season. I used to make fun of her in the first season because all she could do was fly around and create portals (and that power didn't come until the end of the 1st season). I also like that the other guardians have new powers too, though I still like their original powers the best. I also love the fact that you find out that each guardian was chosen for a reason. For example, Hay Lin was chosen because of her connection to her grandma being in the guardian generation before them. Also, Cornelia was chosen to help protect the heart of earth, which is her sister. I have no idea why the other three were chosen, and I can't wait to find out.
Well, here's hoping you continue with WITCH and that the next season is just as good if not better than the last one. You've done a wonderful job with this show just as you did with Gargoyles. Keep it going!
Thank you for your time.
Ember (the "fire girl") probably reminded you of Hyena because Cree Summer voiced both roles. Tridart (the "ice guy") was voiced by Jim Cummings, the voice of Dingo. Matt/Shagon was played by the amazing Jason Marsden.
I am surprised that more Garg fans didn't notice Brenda and Marco -- one of the things that made me think that most garg fans weren't watching the show. Heck, there's a character in WITCH called Gargoyle. I'm surprised that didn't get any comments.
I'm afraid I won't be doing a season three though. The show wasn't picked up.
Rather surprising that no post alerting readers that issue two came out... though by the time this is read it may be a post alerting of issue 10 that I'll be looking for:)
I am trying not to review comics on how they read at 2:30Am when I should be long asleep. This time I decided to reread 1 & 2 while fully awake and quite of few of my negative comments melted away. Still, there remained both pluses and minuses.
The most obvious change is the art. It seems to me that the two conflicting styles seen in issue 1 were melded together. Oddly enough the result is something far more reminiscent of the cartoon. Truth be told the art stood out more in issue 1- but so did the off model parts. This was miles away more consistent throughout the issue. There were some images that I took issue with: I don't like the new design for baby Alex, and Elisa looked rather Asian in some frames (more a problem with Dt. Yin over in The Batman) But there were some fantastic moments to more than balance. The facial expressions of Lex when baby Alex was reaching in the frame and playing with his face, or when Xanatos sheepishly admits that he knows it is not wise to annoy the Illuminati were fantastic. Broadway and Angela's scene was just lovely. And, of course, the full page of Goliath and Elisa when they first hit the ground. (also a nice frame when he is first hit by the hammer and she ducks.)
For some reason I just loved it when Elisa threw away her remaining shoe.
Some of the fighting was a little dark and muddled to my (sleep deprived) eyes. When Elisa stands above the mercenaries who had just talked about kissing their salary goodbye, I knew I was seeing a moment like Demona's, way back in Awakenings, when she appears saying, "no, you lost it all.", but I didn't feel it in my gut. (I reserve the right to feel it in my gut when I reread issue 2 with issue 3 and hopefully that night do so before midnight.) There was one very clever composition, where the hammer light swoosh and sound effects swooped through 4 levels of frames on one page. Problem was, some of the sound effects seemed a little too even. The helicopter sounds were correctly all the same, but organic sounds looked that way too. (I checked and didn't see that in #1). Of course I did get to see a downright heroic Vinny and got NOT to see Castaway escaping through the guts of the building.
Oh- and speaking of animation gaffs in the original airing…did Goliath end the issue gliding off on his injured wing?!
thanks and looking forward to #3!
In the comic, Goliath is LEAPING on page 24, not gliding. His wings aren't even extended.
I'm told issue #3 will be out on March 28th, 2007.
Why does Lexington have to be gay? I am a girl and I'm insulted by this. I was always told being gay is a sin. As a fan I don't believe he's gay at all.
You are free to believe what you want, but in my personal opinion, whomever told you that being gay is a sin was at best misinformed, at worst evil. And I don't see how you could possibly be "insulted" by this revelation in any case. How does it effect you at all?
So, I tried searching for some info on this supposed gargoyles movie, but the site's archive search engine seems to be a bit haywire (my returned searches have off-color spaces in-between every character). I read the first few returns to my query, but I started to get a headache. As a result, I have decided to simply ask my question and hope it makes it through the queue reasonably soon. If it has already been asked (as it very well may have) I sincerely apologize.
My first question is, if this movie ever gets put together, will it be animated or live-action? As a follow-up, if it is live-action, will Disney prevent it from being overly violent and adult-oriented? I think that the bulk of gargoyles fans out there are getting old, and as much as the old episodes and the new comics still make me happy to engage with, I think a more mature, live-action/CGI/Costumed high-budget motion picture would generate a lot of hype, over and above another animated version. I'm not thinking of Goliath ripping muggers in half or anything, just a version where no one is afraid of showing a little pool of blood (a la "deadly force"). I think "Awakening" could be remade fantastically in this manner, as it is an incredibly epic storyline. Thanks for your time.
There are no current plans to make a movie, so answering any questions about it at this point would be beyond hypothetical.
I wanted to take the opportunity now that the second season of W.I.T.C.H. is finished to give my thanks and comments about the season. I've got to say that this season, in my opinion, was vastly better than the first. While I enjoyed it the first season, I eventually started watching it just out of obligation, namely to see how long before Elyon got her act together. Not so with this season. I looked forward to each episode. The writing and characterizations for the second season seems so much more focused and consistent, and the plot more forward. I especially loved the Will-Shagon/Matt dynamic of the first half or so. (The "I'm so bad, I hate myself" quote stands out). And the last six were the most fun for me, especially "U for Undivided". I still smile when I think of Ed Asner as cute little Napoleon's voice. There are so many things in each episode, I can't possibly list them all.
Hopefully, by the time you get to this we'll know if season three is greenlit. But, just to let you and the rest of the W.I.T.C.H. staff know, thanks so much for such a fun season.
Thank you. It is much appreciated. I was extremely proud of the work we did on WITCH in Season Two. Wasn't sure that anyone was watching.
My Review of issue #2
Excellent story-telling. I liked the pace that the drama went through. I ordered my comic through SLG's website and got it before Christmas.
The artwork. Granted that I'm not an artist and that I have no sense of color aesthetics, I have some issues with the artwork. The opening scenes with Macbeth remind me of looking at myself in the mirror when I'm half-awake. Lex doesn't quite look right in the scenes with Alex.
I am looking forward to buying the next issue when it is released.
I'm glad. I like the artwork. It's not perfect of course. And it printed considerably darker than Will colored it, but hopefully we've addressed this problem with Dustin and Steph in the future.
And I liked the Lex/Alex scenes. I thought they were fun.
I've got to say, Puck is one of my favorite characters (which is funny, because most of my favorite characters aren't the favorites of other people). Maybe it's because he reminds me of my cat, but it's probebly because he has something I've never been very good at getting: a decent sense of humor. Oberon on the other hand..... It took me a while to warm up to him. I like him now though. Because I'm a person who has been taught humility since the age of seven, I think he's waaaaaay too proud. My mom thinks he's a bit of a baby, but she's amused by it. Maybe as a phycologist, she sees something I don't. The following observations and questions are about the two afore mentioned members of the Third Race. I guess they count as one topic....
I was suprised by Oberon's harsh punishment for Puck in 'The Gathering' (expecialy since HE was the one at fault), but I guess his banishment from Avalon could have been a 'So There' kind of thing. In my mom's oppinion (She's a fan too, by the way) Oberon was like 'Oh, it's BORING, is it? I guess you won't mind never coming back then....' and Puck was like 'Well, actually, I was just sort of..... whining.' Later, I thought I hit the moral of the story and told my mom (who was surprised I hadn't gotten it earlier). Our conversation went something like this:
Me: Mom! I think I got the moral of the story!
Me: Your pride doesn't just hurt you; it hurts the people around you!
Mom: ..... Duh.
Yeah... now for some real questions.
1. You said Oberon probebly still cares for Puck. What about Puck still caring for Oberon? After a punishment like that, (which I figure was done more for Oberon's pride than anything else) I might be a little bitter.
2. If this wasn't fair, why didn't Titania say something? Is she still upset about the donkey thing? I can't say I blame her, but we're talking about a way extream punishment here!
3. Will this state of tension be adressed in future stories?
1. Bitterness and feeling aren't mutually exclusive.
2. If you say so. Titania got her way, largely though.
This is more of an observation than a question.
In the episode Upgrade, Goliath had to choose a second in command. He stated that he didn't want to choose recklessly because it might put a rift between the trio. And he said that "I see now that nothing can come between you three." I guess he didn't count on the fact that Angela is alive and that she might someday fall in love with one of the trio and that might throw a rift between them.
I'm not sure Angela does throw a RIFT into things. They argue when she first shows up, and inevitably they are growing up and won't be joined at the hip anymore, but they'll always be the best of friends.