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Jade writes...
Dear Greg,
I've been waiting sooo long to write to you. First off I would like to thank you for making such a great cartoon! It really helped me though some hard times in my life. And also so I think it's sooo swert of you to be taking your time to anwer all of the questions. So here are mine. 1. Is there any way of getting the Gargoyles back on? If so how, because I've writen many letter trying to get it back on and it does seem to be working?
2. How did you thank up such a great cartoon, I mean it's great-I love it and I'm really upset about it being takein off?
3. What did Micbeth think off the World Wars, did he go in em?
4. Why did Angela choose Broadway over the others was it because she knew he was sweet or was it the chocolates he gave her when he first saw her?
5. Will Angela's brothers and sisters come by some time to say hi or stay at the castle?
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND SORRY ABOUT THE ENGLISH I'M A TEEN.
Greg responds...
1. Jade, I'm going to suggest you refer to the archives. I've answered this over and over. Try "Bringing Gargoyles Back" in the current archive, or several in depth posts on this topic in the old archive.
2 - 5. You're so enthusiastic about the show and about asking your questions, I hate to respond this way, but we have rules. Questions on separate topics must be posted separately.
Please, post again, and I'll try to be more forthcoming.
Miscellaneous...
My DC Comics editor finally sent me a few copies of that Justice League comic with the Captain Atom/Gargoyles story. I had forgotten just how many Gargoyle in-jokes I put in that story. There's much more there for a Gargoyle fan then for a Captain Atom fan. Though I think the scenes of Cap kissing Bette (and the mention of Las Vegas) would make a couple people (Simon Del Monte, Melissa Page, for example) a bit nostalgic. I think the story turned out pretty well. Anyway, I'm happy. My editor made a couple small changes. He removed the two references to the year the story took place (1991). And he changed the title. It was called something like: "An Exercise in Self-Indulgence". Now it's called "The Flashback of Notre Dame". Both are accurate, but his is much more clever.
Lately, I've been giving away a lot of ASK GREG tidbits for some reason. Not sure why. I'm just in the mood, I guess. But it suddenly occured to me to register this caveat.
There's canon and there's canon.
As far as I'm concerned the only true canon is the 66 episodes of the series running from "Awakening, Part One" through "The Journey". As many of you know, I don't like to consider the other twelve episodes of Goliath Chronicles to be canon, let alone whatever other stories got published by Marvel or Disney Adventures Digest or whatever.
But to be honest, even some of my ASK GREG answers cannot truly be considered canon. They're closer. But I won't be held to them in any absolute sense. Part of the wonder of producing the first two seasons of Gargoyles involved things discovered along the way. I won't etch things in stone (pun intended) just for the sake of making these ramblings and off-the-cuff answers sacrosanct. If I got the chance to produce the show (or one of its spin-offs) again, I'd ABSOLUTELY incorporate much of what's here. But I'd be a fool not to hold everything up to a microscope and decide with consideration what would and wouldn't be best for the new series.
Having said that, I've been giving some particular thought to G2158 recently, studying timelines for example. And I've changed a few things in my head. Nothing major. But certain things have changed that would in turn effect things in TimeDancer and present-day Gargoyles. Maybe even New Olympians and Pendragon. (So far nothing that would alter Bad Guys or Dark Ages.)
The good news is that none of these changes effect our three current contests. (Wouldn't that be an ASK GREG disaster?)
And all this thought has gotten me thinking about how I might handle a couple of thorny problems in any revival of the original series, specifically the time gap between 1996 and whenever the new show hit the air, and/or the existence of those 12 non-canon Chronicle episodes.
And frankly, I think the internet is the answer.
Goliath Chronicles exists. I can't change that. But I think I can ignore it. For example, if I wanted to do my version of the trial of Goliath -- the one where the question before the court is his very sentience -- couldn't I just do it?
New fans wouldn't know about the Chronicles trial and thus wouldn't be upset about it. Old fans could check here and find out why it was being ignored.
That only leaves a small percentage of people, who, for example, see the Chronicles episode on Toon Disney and wonder about it, but don't have the resources or whatever to find a site like this and learn the rationale. Would they be very put off? Is that too selfish an approach for me to take?
Likewise, the time gap. What if in the fist season, I did that Halloween story I've mentioned before. I wouldn't mention what year it was. For a new audience, they'd just assume that the story took place in say, October 2002. No harm done. But I could post here and tell people it took place in 1996. Then, by the end of the first season, I could have the series caught up to 2002, but still have gotten to do the stories that would have depended (continuity-wise) on proximity to the events in Hunter's Moon and The Journey.
What about that?
I'm very interested in all of your opinions on these notions. Please post them here.
Siren writes...
With all these novels from movies and television out now a days, has it ever crossed your mind that you might come out with a series for Gargoyles? Can you even if you wanted to? Because Disney might sole rights to the show...not that they use them. *sigh*
Greg responds...
I'd love to write a GARGOYLES novel. Have many ideas for just that. But Disney owns the rights. And it could be tough in a vacuum to get them and/or a publisher interested. Maybe, someday.
Chad Young writes...
I was wandering if you would be willing to start Gargoyles where you left off if a network like Cartoon Network or some other national network would ask you to? Although I don't think it would happen but I would like to see it happen. Thanks for your Time.
Chad Young a Gargoyles fan
Greg responds...
I'd love to pick up where I left off. (See the Rambling I posted earlier today.) Though it's not going to happen at Cartoon Network.
Coolsteem writes...
want to get more ping for the garg?
sell DvD CD,s.
So why don't I see anny?
Greg responds...
"Ping"?
Uh, choosing what to sell isn't up to me.
Oberons child writes...
Hi Greg, this is my first time to write a Question to you, so here goes:
If Disney don't intend to use the Gargoyles licence anymore, why don't they sell it to another company so that they can see what a mistake they made by cancelling it? (I would love to see their faces!)
By the way, thanks for a show which was (and will be) as good for the soul as it was for the mind!
Greg responds...
Who said Disney doesn't someday intend to use the property? I never did. As we speak, at least in theory, they are developing a live-action movie based on the property.
And think about what you wrote above. They'd never let anyone have it for just the reason you gave. Why take the chance that someone else would make them look foolish?
And, by the way, you're more than welcome.
Chris Guanche writes...
Hello. With Gargoyles airing on Toon Disney, has there been any renewed interest in the series? Is it getting good ratings on Toon Disney? I'm wondering this because it would be great if Disney could release the whole series on VHS or DVD. I'm sure if ratings were good they might consider releasing a limited edition or something. With Japanese anime so popular now, it would be good to bring back this "American anime" so to speak.
Greg responds...
I don't know what kind of ratings it's getting on Toon Disney. Good enough to still be airing, but not good enough to generate the kind of interest you're suggesting. Too bad.
Airwalker writes...
It's my understanding that you pitched both DARK AGES and GARGOYLES 2158 to CBS and that then CBS did away with it's Saturday Morning schedule and staff thus killing off further interest in either shows. But now that CBS has decided to restore animated shows to it's Saturday Morning schedule, do you think it might be possible to re-pitch those two shows to them?
Greg responds...
I never pitched G2158 to CBS, because everyone I knew there was booted before I got the chance.
And none of them are back, so the idea that the executives (Judy Price, specifically) who asked to see G2158 would now be interested again, since policy has changed somewhat (though not exactly as you have described it above) doesn't follow. Judy is still gone. Disney still owns Gargoyles and now they own ABC. So I don't see Gargoyles appearing on another network anytime soon.
lisa writes...
1.if the show doesnt get any interest renewal would you be able to continue the show on the internet?
Greg responds...
I don't own it. So I'd need to work something out with Disney. I keep trying to come up with some financial model to do that, but I haven't yet been successful.
lisa writes...
1.you mentioned that you were writeing a gargoyles encyclopedia have you gotten any publishers interest?
Greg responds...
I wish. But no...
Airwalker writes...
If Gargoyles was to come back in a sort of comic form, which of the following formats would you prefer and which do you think would be possible to put out without getting cancelled within a few months:
- A regular as usual 32 page Monthly comic book for 1.99
- An Archie Comic-like digest that would contain various short illustrated Gargoyles stories for about 3-5 dollars
- A full monthly magazine with a few illustrated Gargoyles stories, a few Gargoyles text pieces and some other various materials ala historical exploration material on various elements in the Gargoyles universe (Pendragon, Easter Island, etc) for about 6.95 or so
- An every few month's Trade paperback containing a whole storyline and a short text piece ala something like Usagi YoJimbo Trade paperbacks for 15 dollars.
Greg responds...
Well, I'd go for any of the above. Whatever we could get. (Though the last options seems impossible from a deadline stand-point. Are you sure those Trade Paperbacks aren't gathering together previously published stories.)
I guess it's no secret I'd love to publish a magazine akin to your third option. I guess that would be my first choice. Offering the most flexibility.
As for what would survive cancellation. I'm afraid I've been out of comics (both as a professional and as a reader) for too long to pretend any expertise.
Airwalker writes...
Even with Gargoyles off the air for all this time, do you think that it is still possible to do one of the Spin-offs like BAD GUYS or TIMEDANCER for example?
Greg responds...
Sure. Someday. Maybe. Why not? Who knows?
Airwalker writes...
With the rise of shows like BATMAN BEYOND, as well as the reappearance of shows like TRANSFORMERS and VOLTRON, plus the decline of Power Rangers - do you think that the atmosphere for a Gargoyles revival appears to be developing?
Greg responds...
Maybe. Trouble is, in my opinion, Disney's in a rut. They had some real success with a certain kind of show. Now they think that's the only thing that works. Tough to convince them to try to widen their sights at the moment.
But long term...
SPRING FRENCH writes...
have you thought about selling gargoyles to the "WB" warner brothers?please i need gargoyles back for new seasons.
Greg responds...
Disney owns Gargoyles. Not me. Not mine to sell. And I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Disney to sell it to their number one competitor.
Era Scarecrow writes...
I was wondering, i have seen most of the first part of the series, and a little of the goliath choronicles, i was wondering if you had the original scripts written as stories, or if there is a way to get a project started so all the episodes are as stories.
I want to read it the way it is suppose to be seen, and i can't find the scripts or certain episodes anywhere.
Oh yes, I love Gargoyles, you did a great job greg
Greg responds...
Uh...
I have a copy of all 66 scripts in script form.
But I'm not a clearing house and that's not really the way to experience the series anyway. Sorry. I'd recommend posting at the comment room to get copies of the episodes from your fellow fans.
UPDATE
Hi Gang,
I'm back. And determined to pour through these questions. I can't believe I'm still backlogged until JULY!!!
But first, let me give you a quick update on what I've been up to recently.
STARSHIP TROOPERS
Post-Production has been completed on my first arc of stories. They are all set on the jungle moon TESCA NEMEROSA. I think they turned out wonderfully. I'm still very proud of the writing, but I'm wildly impressed with the CGI. (And yes, there are a few small things that bother me, but...) Overall, I think it's a very powerful set of stories.
MAX STEEL
We've completed writing and recording all 13 episodes for the first season. Post-production should begin after the first of the year. The CGI series should premeire in February on the WB's Saturday Morning. And now that the heavy lifting is done, I'm all but unemployed, which means I should have plenty of time for ASK GREG.
NAZCA
A good friend of mine did the English dub for this Japanese Anime series. Thom Adcox does the voice for one of the leads, and I do a few incidental voices here and there. (Yes, the man who brought you "Nice Mask!" and "Father, the rockets aren't working!" is back behind the microphone. God help us all.) It's available on home video in stores starting mid-January.
JUSTICE LEAGUE GIANT
As many of you already know, I did a CAPTAIN ATOM/JLE/GARGOYLES parody team-up for this comic book. I wrote it a year ago and I still haven't seen the final result, but I'm told it turned out all right. And every copy you buy puts about a tenth of a penny into my pocket... Seriously, it wouldn't hurt if this issue sold out and was followed by a letter writing campaign asking DC to do an actual Gargoyles comic. Don't know if it would work, but it wouldn't hurt.
UCLA EXTENSION
For those of you living in the L.A. Area, Kevin Hopps and I are teaching a twenty week course on writing for Television Animation through UCLA Extension's Writer's Program at Universal CityWalk starting this Spring and running through the Summer. Hope to see some of you there.
Now, back to your questions...
Tiffany writes...
Okay, I'm new to the Gargoyles show, but what I've seen so far has got me hooked. I recently found out that the show was cancelled a long time ago and is running on reruns. (new to me) Anyway, I take it you've probably been asked this question a thousand times, but I searched the archives and can't find the answer or question anywhere. So, I have to ask:
What can I or my friends do to help the show get back up and running? Should I get petitions signed and sent to Disney or what? I'd love to help, and can't wait to do whatever I can.
Greg responds...
Tiffany, I love you.
But I don't have any new suggestions to make. (Check the archives again for the old suggestions.)
If ratings for Toon Disney's airings of Gargoyles started going through the roof, that would help a lot. So the best suggestion I can make is to turn all your friends on to the show, particularly anyone with a Nielson People Meter. The more people watching the better.
The other suggestion is to help us all keep an active fandom alive. Get involved and get as many people as you can involved. Come to G2000 in Orlando and get your friends to come. If we all speak with one LARGE voice, we have a chance.
Robin Wynn writes...
ok...a couple more comic-related Q's!
1)What steps would one have to make to try and get the comic back (with a different comic co. preferably. Image has always been my personal fave!)?
2)If, by some miracle, we managed to get the comic up and running again, would you be willing to join up with whoever did the new comic?
thanks again.
Greg responds...
1. I don't know. Most comic companies would not be interested in paying for the license of a series that isn't currently producing new material. As for which company? I don't really care, as long as they can deliver the book on a schedule with solid or better art and decent production values. I'd love to have Dan Raspler at DC Comics as my editor, but that's probably a longshot.
2. God, yes. I'd definitely want to be the writer, if not the writer/editor. It would kill me if someone else got the job.
Kevin writes...
1.As of today, how good are our chances of getting Gargoyles back on the air with new episodes???
2.Do we stand a better chance of getting the regular Gargoyles show or one of your projected spinoffs? (like Timedancer, New Olympians, Dark Ages, Pendragon)
3. Which would you prefer to see made? (spinoff or regular Gargoyles)
Greg responds...
1. Same as they've always been.
Long term - Good to Very Good.
Short term - Not very good at all.
2. No way of knowing, though I'd guess that 2158 has a slightly better chance of going than any of the other spin-offs, with about an equal chance against a modern day setting.
3. Either, both, all.
Airwalker writes...
I know that you were only involved with THE JOURNEY in TGC. But in the episode GENERATIONS, the story had Demona completely alienating Angela, with the ending of the episode indicating that Angela had completely given up on her mother. If you got the show back, how would deal with this, how would you fix this?
Greg responds...
I have and will continue to resist addressing these questions at this time.
Understand, GOLIATH CHRONICLES was very, very PAINFUL for me. Besides "The Journey" I watched each episode exactly once -- a bitter experience each time. (And note: This is not the fault of the people who produced those episodes.)
I have no desire to put myself through additional needless pain.
Now if the show were to come back, the pain wouldn't be needless. It would be worthwhile, and I would gladly watch, even study, each episode again, looking for loopholes, for what I could ignore, etc. etc. etc.
It may sound arrogant, but I have no doubt I could salvage my continuity in its entirety.
But for now...
The only Chronicle that exists for me is "The Journey."
Hope you understand.
Lee writes...
Are you going to bering the show back someday? I really hope so.
Greg responds...
Me too.
--D writes...
I don't suppose you might be able to tell me where I can purchase copies of the original episodes?
Greg responds...
Nope. Sorry.
Leigh Semilof writes...
Dear Greg,
USA Weekend had a favorite cartoon contest in which "gargoyles" was voted the number one cartoon. With recognition like that is there any plans by Disney to revive the series?
Greg responds...
I doubt that contest registered in any real way with Disney. If at all. What makes you think they even know about it?
Airwalker writes...
You mentioned this in the comment room but I'm asking again here so that the answer will be a part of the Archives.
If you continued Gargoyles in comic book form, would you continue from where TGC left off or not?
Greg responds...
I won't be held to this, but....
I think I would skip all of TGC except "The Journey". In a comic book, I'd have the opportunity to include a Text Feature, where I could explain what I was doing and why. That Text Feature would also allow me to bring new readers up to speed on what they need to know. That would give me the freedom to limit cannon to the first 66 episodes as opposed to the whole 78.
Wondering writes...
1. I was just wondering. If Gargoyles hadn't ended, where would Elisa and Goliath's relationship be at now, presently? Would the commitment ceremony you talked about already taken place?
2. Any new news on the live action movie? Any new dates or things to talk about? Thanks!
Greg responds...
1. That's so hypothetical. But, probably.
As per our new rules, I invite you to resubmit your remaining question as a separate post.
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