Laura aka 'ad astra' writes...

Clan Contest

As the person who (if I remember correctly) guessed enough to be surprising when first you alluded to this on the old Ask Greg [I was the first to bring up Griff's 'Scottish Stock' comment] I feel I must try- but as I look at the many previous attempts I doubt I can get it. I also have a sneaking suspicion some of your answers where different in different replies. Here goes:

The six we know:
-Manhattan (Goliath's)
-Avalon
-New Olympus
-London (or just outside, but owning the London shop)
-Ishimura
-Guatemala

Certain to develop-
-Clones- in Manhattan for lack of a better place. The Labrynth if you want more specificity.

Probably existing already-
-Lochness -Griff's comment, Monsters' plot. And narrowed down from Lexy's multiples guesses

Probably revived in future-
-Wyvern Scotland

Now for intuitive guesses-
-Paris- guess
-China [sometimes seems in either or choice with Paris, sometimes not] probably .5, it is a big country. Since the Yetis in that lost World Tour ep were not gargoyles I can't guess Himalayas, (or have to comment on China and Tibet), and nothing else in that part of the world has been hinted to.

-Camelot- know is .5 from Lexy's multiples. If you want ~less~ specificity I'd say another British clan, around that area- Wales? [I've no sense of Arthurian geography].

-Space station- future (I have a vague memory of it being mentioned)

-California- future (a post with it did well)

Ironically, Africa having large undeveloped regions make it a good candidate for gargoyles surviving, but it seems be discounted by process if elimination.

[I put in my reasons so that my most wild suppositions may seem at least partially logical]

Duncan Devlin writes...

"THE HYENA CONTEST"

Hyena realizes she will be able to get her revenge upon the person who truly put her in such a compromising position: Fox. Notice that Hyena closes her eyes in addition to smiling. In her mind, Hyena is playing a game of 'it's not my fault' with the intention of making Fox painfully find out it was her fault. She closes her eyes and envisions punishing, then smiles at her little fantasy. Hyena is a sadistic little bitch, as can be seen in the twinges of her smile.

E.J. Kalafarski writes...

"THE HYENA CONTEST"

Elisa has her gun trained on Hyena. Hyena's beaten. But she smiles. Because, in her mind, Hyena truly believes that she cannot be beaten. She believes that she is infinitely superior to Elisa Maza, or the gargoyles, or anyone, for that matter. This superiority complex is later manifested when she and Jackal enhance themselves with cybernetic technology. They feel this unconscious need to prove that they are better than anyone else, that they are above society, and that they have no equals. This is why Hyena smiles. Because, someday, the world will know that she can never be beaten.

Faieq Ali writes...

Another guess at the clans contest:
1.Manhatten
2.Ishimura
3.Guatemala
4.London
5.Labyrinth
6.Avalon
7.New Olympus
8.Xanadu, China
9.Paris
10.Loch Ness, Scotland
11.Athens, Greece
12.South Pole
13.Wyvern, Scotland
14. Camelot

DragonWolf writes...

I apologize if this has been ended already, but I'm not sure, so I'll post my clan-area guesses anyway.

1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. London
4. Guatemala
5. Ishimura
6. Paris
7. New Olympus
8. Rome
9. China
10. Greece
11. Ireland
12. Germany
13. Canada (Because of the French influence)
14. Mongolia

I didn't say Scotland because Demona insists that there are no more Scottish gargoyles, save the Avalon and Manhattan clans.

Caitlin writes...

I've noticed that a lot of people are putting Antarctica down for the clan contest. But since Antarctica basically has one long day and one long night, what kind of effect would that have on the gargoyles stone sleep cycle?

Caitlin writes...

I'd like to take a shot at this clan contest.

1. Manhattan
2. China
3. Wyvern, Scotland
4. Ishimura, Japan
5. Guatemala
6. New Olympus
7. Avalon
8. London
9. The moon
10. Easter Island
11. Notre Dame, Paris
12. Rome
13. Outer Mongolia
14. Ireland

Michael Norton writes...

Yet another wild guess :)

1)Manhattan
2)Clones, Labyrinth
3)Ishimura
4)London
5)Guatemala
6)Avalon
7)New Olympus
8)Wyvern, Scotland
9)Xanadu, China
10)Loch Ness, Scotland
11)Delphi, Greece
12)Mount Kirkpatrick, Antartica
13)Camelot
14)Giza, Egypt

Nemi writes...

More gueses, and before you even answer my old ones:

1)Manhattan
2)Clones, Labyrinth
3)Ishimura
4)London
5)Guatemala
6)Avalon
7)New Olympus
8)Wyvern,Scotland
9)Xanadu, China
10) Loch Ness
11)Wyvern, Scotland
13)Wherever King Auther sets up his base in the future (Camalot/Tintagale)
14) Cold Trio, where ever they may be

Ambrosia writes...

Yet another guess at the 14 clans:
1. Manhattan
2. London
3. Guatemala
4. Ishimura
5. Avalon
6. The Labyrinth
7. New Olympus
8. Rome
9. Wyvern, Scotland
10. India
11. Camelot
12. Xanadu, China
13. Greece
14. Loch Ness
thank you!

Vashkoda writes...

Ok, let's try to eliminate these in one fell swoop (this is for the clan contest, by the way): Earth's moon, Mars or its moons, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter or its moons, Saturn or its moons, Uranus or its moons, Neptune or its moons, Pluto or its moon, Planet X (the proposed planet beyond Pluto), 'Space Spawn' homeworld, Nokkar's homeworld, the 3rd alien race's homeworld, Manhattan

Lexy writes...

Hello GregFrom a later post I did on what do you consider aclan...
Yes, unpure was what I had in mind when referring to
the New O. clan. But I think time has answered my Q
for me. Thanks. As for spelling..*sighs heavily* I'm
sorry. I promise from now on only to post after I have
gone through each word with a dictionary (has no spell
check:P can you believe that? on a 98'!) unless it is
an extream emergency Q. Your right, if I don't wait
for feed back it is pointless. As far as like where in
Italy..I guess I hadnt been putting down specific
places cuz I thought that would give me a mountain of
half points and drive me clean up a wall. But if it is
mandatory or just helps you out I will do so!:)

1) Manhattan
2) London
3) Ishimura
4) Guatemala
5) New Olympus
6) The Labyrith
7) Avalon

8) Xanadu,China
9) Italy,Rome
10) Turkey
11) Paris,France
12) Antarctica
12) Ireland
13) Lockness,Scotland

P.S: I really will try on the spelling..but..don't expect any miracles.
_________________________________________________

Ambrosia writes...

guesses for the 14 clans:
1. Manhattan
2. London
3. Guatemala
4. Ishimura
5. Avalon
6. The Labyrinth
7. New Olympus
8. Rome
9. Wyvern, Scotland
10. Ireland
11. Tintagel
12. Xanadu, China
13. Athens
14. Loch Ness
thank you!

galvatron writes...

clan contest
1.Manhatten(1)
2.Labyrinth(1)
3.Avalon(1)
4.Ishimura(1)
5.Guatemala(1)
6.London(1)
7.New Olympus(1)
8.Loch Ness(1)
9.Xanadu,China(1)
10.Antarctica(.5)
11.Wyvern,Scotland(1)
12.Camelot(.5)
13.Paris(1)
14.Babylon(0)

minimum of 12
maximum of 12.5

Aris Katsaris writes...

Ed> Ofcourse if it turns out that "Xanadu, China" was completely wrong, everyone will have to *blame* me for misleading them (and yeah I think it was I who first made that guess - "woman wailing for her demon lover" reminded me gargoyles too much for me not to place that guess in there... :-)

Anyway, my own guess:

1.London
2.Manhattan
3.Ishimura
4.Guatemala
5.New Olympus
6.Avalon
7.Paris
8.Lochness, Scotland
9.Labyrinth
10.New Camelot
11.Xanadu, China
12.Antarctica
13.Jerusalem
14.Venice

Ed writes...

Clan guesses... hmm, I'm bound to be useless at this, but I might as well have a go!

Clans existing in 1994:

1. London
2. Ishimura
3. Guatemala
4. New Olympus
5. Rome
6. Xanadu, China*
7. Paris
8. Avalon

New clans by 1996:

9. Castle Wyvern, Manhattan
10. Labyrinth, Manhattan
11. Cairo, Egypt
12. Wyvern, Scotland

13. Norway
14. New Camelot

*I'm not sure who I should give credit for the Xanadu bit to (Aris?) but this isn't one I'd have any idea about the exact location otherwise so apologies to whoever it was.

(And incidentally, responding to your point that Elisa used her thumb to count 'three' on her hand: I count using my thumb too. Sorry this is irrelevant, but it wasn't worth wasting a post over IMO).

Vashkoda writes...

London, Ishimura, Guatemala, Avalon, Manhattan, New Olympus, Paris, Wyvern (Scotland), Xanadu (China), Loch Ness, Labyrinth (Clones), Antarctica, Camelot, Moon

I know I'm not being specific enough on the last few, but I want to be sure of the general location, first.

Lexy writes...

just another guess...

1) Manhattan
2) London
3) Ishimura
4) Guatemala
5) Avalon
6) New Olympus
7) Clones
8) China
9) Rome
10) Antartica
11) Turkey
12) Paris
13) Ireland
14) Scottland

Galvatron writes...

Here are my guesses for the clan contest.
1.Manhatten,U.S.A
2.Labyrinth
3.Avalon
4.Ishimura,Japan
5.Guatemala
6.London,United Kingdom
7.New Olympus
8.Loch Ness,Scotland(the place in Monsters)
9.Xanadu,China
10.Wyvern,Scotland(nostalgia)
11.Ulster,Ireland
12.Greece
13.Egypt
14.Paris,France

Vashkoda writes...

Just trying to eliminate a few:

Moscow, Ishimura, Guatemala, Avalon, Manhattan, New Olympus, Paris, Labyrinth (clones), Easter Island, Loch Ness, space somewhere, Wyvern (Scotland), Antarctica, Ireland

Vashkoda writes...

More guesses:

London, Ishimura, Guatemala, Avalon, Manhattan, New Olympus, Paris, Labyrinth (clones), Easter Island, Loch Ness, space somewhere, Wyvern (Scotland), Antarctica, Camelot

Shari B writes...

Here's my fourth guess at the 14 clans...

1 - London, England
2 - Ishimura, Japan
3 - Guatemala
4 - Loch Ness, Scotland
5 - Wyvern, Scotland
6 - New Olympus
7 - Tintagel
8 - Avalon
9 - Manhattan, NY, USA
10 - Labyrinth, NY, USA
11 - Paris, France
12 - Victoria Land, Antarctica
13 - Xanadu, China
14 - Giza, Egypt

I'm having so much fun with this contest. I've been keeping track of everyone's guesses, and with every new answer I learn (or confirm) something. I was overjoyed when you actually started giving scores. It has become much easier for me to add up the scores since you started telling us the number of half points recently, but it was actually more fun when an 8 might mean 8, or 7 and 2 halves, or 6 and 4 halves, etc. I appreciate all the hints, but please don't give too many more, or you'll be making it too easy for us!

TTFN!!

Nemi writes...

The 14 Clans:

1)Manhattan
2)Clones, Labyrinth
3)Ishimura
4)London
5)Guatemala
6)Avalon
7)New Olympus
8)Wyvern,Scotland
9)Xanadu, China
10)Bermuda Triangle
11)Steel calan New York
13)Easter Island
14)Cold Trio, where ever they may be

-Nemi

Ambrosia writes...

Another try at the 14 clans:
1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. Ishimura
4. Guatemala
5. New Olympus
6. Clones/Mutates
7. London
8. Rome
9. Wyvern, Scotland
10. Xanadu, China
11. Loch Ness
12. Ireland
13. Camelot
14. Athens, Greece
thank you!

Christine (who doesn't scare you) writes...

THE HYENA CONTEST

Hyena is smiling because she's eager to get back to women's prison and hopes her next cellmate will be more 'accomodating' than Fox ; )

DougJoe writes...

Attempt at the 14 Clans...

1. London, England
2. Ishimura, Japan
3. Guatemala
4. New Olympus
5. Manhattan, NY, USA
6. Camelot, England
7. Paris, France
8. Los Angeles, CA, USA
9. Wyvern, Scotland
10. Avalon
11. Ireland
12. Rome, Italy
13. Cairo, Egypt
14. Moscow, Russia

Derek! writes...

THE HYENA CONTEST

From the beginning of the episode, we see that Hyena is not content with living a "normal life". She wants to be, if you'll excuse the teenage phrase, hardcore. Wolf and Fox had already proven they were tough by getting thrown into prison for taking a woman hostage. Perhaps in her somewhat warped view of things, she was proving she was as good, if not better than they were. They were arrested for taking a model hostage; she, however tried to assassinate one of the richest men on earth. Who do you think would be considered more dangerous?

Jackal's Love writes...

Hyena Contest:

Hyena says "I'm not beaten yet", and Elisa responds by shouting "Oh, yes you are!". Hyena looks angry for a second, then smiles. I think she does this because she's thinking "Oh, no I'm not." She realizes that she's down but not out, and that although she may have to bide her time, she'll get out, and in the meantime she's going to go to prison with her brother to plan what happens next. So Hyena's smile her way of laughing at Elisa, who has no idea just how wrong she is.

Aaron writes...

Well, I guess I'll take a shot at this, before more eloquent guys like Aris and Airwalker take it.

The Hyena Contest.

I think the twins had a very... strange childhood, which didn't impress them with the fundamental goodness of humanity. At the end of the day, each is probably the only one that the other even partially trusts.

They're both terrified of being alone, which is why a psychopath and a sociopath stay together. Hyena is smiling because she knows, subconsciously, that getting captured is the only way to stay with her brother.

(Or maybe Hyena was so glad not to be blind after seeing a million candle-power searchlight through her NVGs, she was happy to see anything, even a cop)

Adam writes...

THE HYENA CONTEST

Hyena smiles because she's amused by Elisa's values. Elisa is clearly playing by the "good guy" rules, which say that you don't shoot someone when you could arrest them, you don't drop Xanatos off the building, etc. Hyena believes that when it's in your best interests for someone to be dead, you kill them. It's funny to Hyena that Elisa could be so deluded by ideas of "right" and "wrong" that she would let someone as dangerous as Hyena live to fight another day when it would be so easy just to kill her and solve the problem permanently.

Zeliard writes...

More on 14 clan contest...

1.Manhattan
2.New Olympus
3.London
4.Avalon
5.Guatemala
6.Ishimura

7.Wyvern
8.Circe
9.Planet Pluto (I think I watch too much Starship Troopers)
10.Labyrinth, the clones and mutates
11.Tibet
12.Camleot
13.Under the earth's surface, underground Gargoyles!
14.Paris

Zeliard writes...

Clan Contest

1.Manhattan
2.Avalon
3.Ishimura
4.London
5.Guatemala
6.New Olympus

7.Paris
8.Ireland
9.Tibet
10.Camelot
11.Wyvern
12.Circe
13.Atlantis
14.Labyrinth

Ambrosia writes...

hmm, how about these guesses:
1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. London
4. Quatemala
5. Ishimura
6. The Clones and Mutates
7. New Olympus
8. Rome
9. Wyvern
10. Bejing, China
11. Loch Ness
12. Ulster, Ireland
13. Easter Island
14. Camelot
thank you!

Scorch writes...

My 14 guesses:

1. Eyrie building, Manhattan
2. Ishimura
3. London
4. Guatemala
5. Avalon
6. New Olympus
7. Wyvern
8. Loch Ness
9. Underwater
10. Manhattan Sewers
11. The moon
12. Viet Nam
13. The Northwest Territories, Canada
14. Newfoundland, Canada

Ambrosia writes...

yet again:
1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. London
4. Guatemala
5. Ishimura
6. Mutates/clones
7. New Olympus
8. Easter Island
9. Rome
10. Ireland
11. Wyvern, Scotland
12. China
13. Greece
14. Loch Ness
thank you!

Ambrosia writes...

Another try at the 14 clans:
1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. London
4. Guatemala
5. Ishimura
6. Mutates/Clones
7. New Olympus
8. The Coldtrio
9. Easter Island
10. Rome
11. Wyvern, Scotland
12. Xanadu, China
13. Ireland
14. Greece
Thanks!

Faieq Ali writes...

Another guess at the 14 clans:

1.Manhattan
2.Avalon
3.Guatemala
4.New Olympus
5.London, England
6.Ishimura, Japan
7.The Labyrinth
8.Xanadu, China
9.Cairo,Egypt
10.Paris, France
11.Pompeii, Italy
12.LA, California
13.Loch Ness, Scotland
14.Sydney, Austrailia

Shari B writes...

OK, I think I've actually figured something out this time, so let's see if I'm right. This one should be pretty close. Either that, or I need to totally rethink my reasoning! Here's my third guess on the 14 clans...

1 - London, England
2 - Ishimura, Japan
3 - Guatemala
4 - Loch Ness, Scotland
5 - Wyvern, Scotland
6 - New Olympus
7 - Camelot
8 - Avalon
9 - Manhattan
10 - Labyrinth
11 - Paris, France
12 - Antarctica
13 - Xanadu, China
14 - Giza, Egypt

Tana writes...

Yeah, I'm just trying out different specifics since you said being specific counted...just give me a score and my tyca. ^_^

1)Manhattan, New York
2)Clones, New York
3)Avalon
4)Guatemala
5)New Olympus
6)Ishimura, Japan
7)London, England
8)Paris, France
9)Wyvern, Scotland
10)Beijing, China
11)Athens, Greece
12)Belfast, Northern Ireland (aka Ulster)
13)Kilaminjaro, Africa
14)Easter Island

Tana writes...

1)Manhattan, New York
2)Clones, New York
3)Avalon
4)Guatemala
5)New Olympus
6)Ishimura, Japan
7)London, England
8)Paris, France
9)Wyvern, Scotland
10)Xanadu, China
11)Athens, Greece
12)Belfast, Northern Ireland (aka Ulster)
13)Kilaminjaro, Africa
14)Easter Island

Tana writes...

1)Manhattan, New York
2)Clones, New York
3)Avalon
4)Guatemala
5)New Olympus
6)Ishimura, Japan
7)London, England
8)Paris, France
9)Wyvern, Scotland
10)Xanadu, China
11)Delphi, Greece
12)Belfast, Northern Ireland (aka Ulster)
13)Kilaminjaro, Africa
14)Easter Island

Tana writes...

Clans: I know I don't have them all right, but it's worth a shot...

1)Manhattan, New York
2)Clones, New York
3)Avalon
4)Guatemala
5)New Olympus
6)Ishimura, Japan
7)London, England
8)Paris, France
9)Wyvern, Scotland
10)Bei-Jing, China
11)Delphi, Greece
12)Belfast, Northern Ireland (aka Ulster)
13)Kilaminjaro, Africa
14)Easter Island

Lexy writes...

1) Manhatten
2) Clones
3) London
4) Ishimura
5) Avalon
6) New Olympus
7) Guatemala
8) China
9) Italy
10) Paris
11) Ireland
12) Russia
13) Turkey
14) Greece

Lexy writes...

Hey again

um sorry for spelling china weird..typo.

1) Manhatten
2) Clones
3) London
4) Ishimura
5) Avalon
6) New Olympus
7) Guatemala
8) China
9) Italy
10) Paris
11) Ireland
12) Russia
13) Scotland
14) Greece

Lexy writes...

heres a guess *shrugs*

1) Manhatten
2) Clones
3) London
4) Ishimura
5) Avalon
6) New Olympus
7) Guatemala
8) Chaina
9) Rome
10) Scotland
11) Italy
12) Paris
13) Ireland
14) Greece

Vashkoda writes...

Let's see how lucky I can be:

London, Ishimura, Guatamala, New Olympus, Avalon, Manhattan, Paris, Easter Island, Loch Ness, Wyvern

(I foresee a lot of 1/2 points here:) clones, China, not on Earth but within our galaxy, Antarctica

Michael Norton writes...

Another 14 clan guess.

1) Manhattan
2) Clones
3) Ishimura
4) Guatemala
5) London
6) Avalon
7) New Olympus
8) Mt. Everest
9) Mt. Olympus
10) Wyvern, Scotland
11) Loch Ness
12) Camelot
13) Valley of the Kings, Egypt
14) Mt. Kirkpatrick, Antartica

Faieq Ali writes...

My guess at the 14 gargoyle clans:

1. Avalon
2.Manhattan
3.The Labyrinth
4.Guatemala
5.Ishimura, Japan
6.New Olympus
7.London, England
8.Loch Ness, Scotland
9.Paris, France
10.Bejing, China
11.Athens, Greece
12.Rome, Italy
13.Dublin, Ireland
14.Camelot

Ambrosia writes...

Here's my try for the 14 clans, Greg:
1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. London
4. Guatemala
5. Ishimura
6. Mutates/clones
7. New Olympus
8. the Coldtrio
9. India
10. Paris
11. Ireland
12. a Space Station
13. China
14. Camelot

Thanks for your time!