A Station Eight Fan Web Site
Thought I'd take a stab at providing another viewer's reaction to an episode for you. So here are my observations about/reaction to "High Noon" -
The concept of there not being any scent in Coldstone's world was not jarring - it just seemed to be additional explanation of the rules that I was willing to go along with. It was already established in my mind that this was an alternate world that didn't necessarily have to follow the same rules of nature that my reality does. But I also thought, well, if it can be "real" enough to have heather growing in distant fields, why couldn't it also be artificially scented? But I assumed it was a technological limitation, not the unwillingness of a gargoyle soul to allow herself to smell.
I appreciated the continuity and progression of demonstrating Hudson and Broadway practicing their reading skills openly in front of their family, and I was genuinely pleased to see them doing so well. That I have reactions like this to a cartoon still amazes me, I have to confess. But those subtle yet significant touches provided further evidence to me that this show had some good writers and editors behind it.
Also, there was a lot of nice characterization showing Elisa's relationship with the rest of the clan - the exchange with Broadway about doing the right thing and claiming not to be a hero (when she so obviously is) and with Lex when she offers encouragement and shows confidence in him when she says he'll figure out the programming to fix Coldstone. Also, the part when Demona tells Macbeth her only consolation of enduring the pain of transformation is that he gets to suffer as well is priceless. It's deftly comical and tragically in character simultaneously. So lots of good storytelling and pacing of plot revelation going on here.
I did think it was a bit patronizing of Goliath to tell Elisa she has a whole city to protect and equally patronizing for her to order a full report later. I just sort of winced a bit at that exchange and thought "What was that all about?" I also had an adverse reaction to what I thought was Macbeth's really low blow in the library with the book reference, "And I know how to read them." For someone who had established such a strong code of honor, even among his worst enemies centuries earlier, that seemed more hurtful than any physical blow and really beneath him. So I'll generously attribute such uncouth behavior to his being under a spell, I guess.
In any episode of the series, I trust the reliability of Bronx's nose above all (i.e. in this case, his detection of Demona behind the wall of the closet). Yes, there are some constants in the gargoyle universe.
When the clan questions how two foes like Demona and Macbeth could be in collaboration, Hudson observes -- incorrectly but plausibly that -- "Maybe misery loves company." Ed Asner delivers that line with great finesse, hinting at a lot of complexity behind a seemingly simple statement. For one who appears to be an old-fashioned traditionalist, Hudson understands a lot more than other characters (and even viewers) may give him credit for.
Elisa had a very sweet and sincere line about not being able to leave the clock tower without knowing whether the clan was safe. She's a very dedicated friend. I was surprised that Demona would reveal her dual personality and transform in front of Elisa. I just thought that would be a trump card Demona wouldn't give up so easily, I guess. But I certainly thought it was completely in character for the scantily clad Dominique to strut her stuff in front of her rival - a pure sign of over-compensation for what is really subconscious insecurity and even a bit of self-loathing.
A line of Elisa's that really did not fit, in my opinion, was, "No more monsters - good or bad." I never, never would have believed, after "Awakenings" at least, that Elisa would've ever used that word in relation to her gargoyle friends. But I loved her new-found resolve with Morgan's help. Heroism shines through and adrenalin provides the needed strength; it's the great climax in the episode - the fight scene itself is simply the end result and is secondary to that moment.
More good lines follow: "I'm here to save him." "You fight like a rookie." (Elisa deserved some kind of one-up on Demona) and Macbeth's rye observation to a now Othello-controlled Coldstone that, "It seems your allegiance has shifted slightly" - here proving the concept that, when it comes to drama and comedic effect, more often than not, less is more. Incidentally, the error with the three Desdemonas' hair coloring didn't keep me from thinking of the Weird Sisters connection - I'm trained quite the opposite - any time I see three of anything in the series I'd think Weird Sisters, regardless of coloring.
And then there are the additional interesting revelations at the end, implying more to come in future episodes. But for me, that was almost just obligatory informational stuff needed to move the story along, it wasn't where the true strength of the episode lay.
For what it's worth. ...
It's worth a lot actually. Very strong character analysis. As I said, I think we pushed Elisa a bit to get our parallel story. Caught her exhausted and on a bad day. But I don't think you're wrong about any of the above. Thanks.
Have you ever seen any of the David Macaulay animated/live-action specials about building in the ancient and medieval worlds - particularly "Castle"? They aired on PBS some years ago - for the most part, quite a while before "Gargoyles" ever came out - but when I first saw "Awakening Part One", parts of the Castle Wyvern scenes (particularly the banquet) reminded me of scenes in the "Castle" special. That recently got me wondering if you'd ever seen them (the animated sequences did, in fact, have a similar "general" feel to the medieval Scotland scenes in "Gargoyles).
Nope. They don't even sound familiar.
hello¡ my question is:
In manhattan, ebribody have a moderns pistols, but elisa have a old pistol.why?
(I´m sorry, my english is not good because i´m spanish)
Um. Elisa has a modern pistol. So does Matt and most of the cops. Some of the crooks, however, are using the technology that Dracon stole from Xanatos in "Deadly Force".
This doesn't neccesarily have anything to do with gargoyles per se, but i was wondering if you had any advice for me on something: I'm a theater major, and looking into voice work, either for animated shows or commercials..is there anything in particular I should avoid/definetly do in looking for this sort of work? I am in the dark.
For starters, where do you live?
If the answer is anywhere but L.A. or maybe New York, then my second question is When are you moving?
It's not impossible to have a voice career elsewhere, but the odds are stacked against it.
Once you're here there are classes I can recommend. But you can't take them long distance.
its funny that Oberon says the children must live among mortals, but not interfere with them because that really isn't possible, you can't observe or live among any people without changing them, its a scientific law. there are many examples of this in the real world, and many other examples in the Gargoyles Universe... obviously Oberon has to expect some Fae/Mortal interaction, and hence interference... Xanatos/Puck, Renaud/Titania, Wierd Sisters/D and M, etc. etc.
I think Oberon would think you are nit-picking. Everyone understood the gist of what he had procalimed. Don't actively use your magic to alter the course of human events.
Hi, Why did they stop making new show?
Oh, that's a big long complex question that I've just answered so many times before. In fact I once wrote a borderline discertation on the subject that multiple people have posted on various websites. Ask around in the comment room for a link.
Was part of the purpose of the eggs' brief mention in "Awakening" (aside from the preparation for their re-introduction in "Avalon" later on, when you got around to it) an indication to the audience that the gargoyles were genuine living beings rather than statues brought to life by magic? The presence of gargoyle eggs, after all, does indeed indicate that the gargoyles weren't mere magical creations (I doubt that animated statues would be able to breed).
Yes, in a way, anyhow. It was part of the whole picture to that end. Goliath bled. He could be killed, etc.
in the London clan the feathered wings were the most common, and in the other clans the Goliath and Demona type wings were quite common, among the clans we've not see (Loch Ness, New Olympus, Xanadu, and Korea) are Lexington's wing type the most common? or are Desdemona's?
I'm not going to tie my hands by quantifying that at this time.
in response to my question about England getting rid of their gargoyles you said, "England did a worse job than most." do you mean cuz there are still gargoyles in England a thousand years later or was there another reason you said this?
on a related note, when Bodhe said that the English rid their lands of gargoyles long ago... how long ago? obviously there was at least a clan or two around during King Arthur's reign and i can't see him allowing massacres and such. oh, and since we know of the London clan i realize that the English HAVN'T rid their lands completly of gargoyles, but when were the bulk of them banished/killed/whatever?
What other reason did you have in mind?
As for Bodhe, he wasn't exactly an authority. The English thought that their country was gargoyle free by Macbeth's time. It wasn't. What gargs there were left had just gone into hiding by that time.
obviously Elisa told Matt about many of the World Tour adventures (i.e. Hunters Moon- Easter Island Statues) did she tell him about the New Olympians? did she tell any other humans? did Goliath and co. tell the trio and Hudson about the New Olympians?
My guess is that Elisa told Matt some of their adventures, but not everyone. She probably left out the New Olympians as (a) not her secret to reveal and (b) not the most fun adventure for her.
But I'm guessing that either Goliath or Angela eventually told Hudson and the Trio EVERYTHING.
does the Manhatten clan have internet access? if so, or if they use Elisa's computer or whatever, have they met and made any friends on the internet, you know, in chat rooms and stuff? obviously, Lex seems the most likely to have made friends, just curious...
Yes, they do. And Lex has surfed the net. But his experience with the Pack makes him a bit hesitant to make friends. He lurks more often than not. Maybe he's lurking now.
About Garbeasts. Are they the same species as Gargoyles, bred from and breeding normal gargoyles?
If not, any ideas on how they came to such similiarities (the general style of appearance and the stonestuff)?
They're both gargates. The way humans and chimps are both primates.
Something that I've occasionally wondered about the Captain of the Guard. In the series, he's only known by his title, and his real name is never mentioned. Was that deliberate, in light of his choosing to identify himself with the gargoyles (who at that time didn't have personal names) instead of with the humans?
Yeah, that would be great and thematic. But I don't think we thought that out. Maybe Michael did.
Hey Greg, it's been awhile since I posted.
My question is
1) Was it Avalon's magic that enabled Goliath and co. to talk to Zafiro, Kai etc. during the world tour?
2) If yes then would the residents of New Olympus speak some Mediterranean language?
No. Those other guys spoke English. (Not exclusively, but they were clearly fluent.)
How did Josh McGrath turn into Max Steel exsactly?
He activated the Max-Probes in his body and clothes.
Where was Demona during the Civil and Revolutionary war,and what did she do?PS Gargoyles is the best show ever!)
Someplace. Lots of things.
if Sevarius (or anyone) cloned a human and speeded up the maturation rate would skin and hair pigmentation be different as it is for the garg clones?
i'm not asking for numbers or anything, but in 1996 what order, in terms of population, are these clans, most gargs to least:
Don't know. They're all full clans.
I've noticed that aside from her laser cannon or bazooka, Demona's weapon of choice is a mace. Given your comments on a mace being the natural enemy of the gargoyles, was making Demona's weapon a mace (rather than a sword, crossbow or Morning Star) a conscious decision on your part in regard to this?
It was a conscious choice in "City of Stone" when she was smashing human "statues". When else does she use a mace?
How did Goliath come to get his name, and when did he get it? Thanks
During the Dark Ages. A human named him. That's all I want to say right now.
If the Ishimura clan was inspired by Tengu then why weren't there many beaked gargoyles?
I can't answer this. Assumes facts not in evidence.
And here is the required stab at one of the last G-2198 numbers.
517 - outdated
(It may not be right, but I can't find anyone who has suggested it before, so at least it's new.)
As for 74, could you give us a slight hint? Specifically, I'm wondering about that enigmatic 'and' just before it. If you were to expand that sentence to be more precise, would it read:
Each was strong in number and strong in 74.
Each was strong in number and each was 74.
Magnolia (of the Seattle Clan)
517 is wrong.
As for the hint you wanted, I'm sorta against giving extra hints. But I too am tired of this contest. So, the former.
Hello! Love your work, especially Gargoyles. That series was inspiration to me.
On to the question, this one Gargoyles 2198 related:
We have two unguessed numbers left. However, there are several answers that I could not find with a thurough investigation of the archive: 123, 126 and 323. What were the already given answers for these three?
Also, the Galvatron guessed 436 as Empire and 438 as Technology, and you neither confirmed those answers as correct nor called them wrong/previously answered. Later attempts at 436 and 438 all met with the wrong/previously answered response, so I want to confirm that these were the correct answers.
I'm sorry, I don't have that info available to me here in Burbank. Though I find it hard to believe it's not in the archive. I know someone (is it Vashkoda?) has a webpage dedicated to this. You might ask in the comment room.
I am fairly confident that we're down to these last two.
How long did the lost race live?
Not answering that now.
Hi there, Greg. I just want to say I think Roswell Conspiracies, Max Steel and Gargoyles rock this world... If you don't mind, please could you take some time to answer these questions?
1. In "The Partnership", what did Hanek [Vampire Leader] see as perfect in Joanna Wickham - Simon Fitzpatrick's old flame. And why didn't he choose Nema, or some-one connected to the Alliance?
2. Did Hanek ever have a romantic involvement with Valra, the over-ambitious red-head? [Before she turned renegade].
3. How old was Hanek suppposed to be?
By the way, I think the Gargoyles Forum/Questions section is really interesting and intellectual! Thank you, see ya!
I literally don't know ANYTHING about the version of Roswell Conspiracies that hit the air. I didn't work on it and have never seen it.
I wrote the original pilot. Which the people at Bohbot threw away (or so I'm told). I do know that they were contractually obligated not to use the NAMES I used.