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Todd> Such scenarios have their root in reality - whereever a minority is oppressed by a majority, you'll get the individuals who'll fight back hatefully and the individuals who'll want to live in harmony.
In my opinion it's *extremely* silly to think that Gargoyles could be copying the X-men when both were obviously copying the real world...
Now X-Men and the *New Olympians*... well that's a whole other story. :-)
New Olympians is influenced by Jack Kirby's Eternals or New Gods much more than X-Men.
But I think you're missing Todd's point. I don't think we were ever really a Batman rip-off any more than we were an X-Men rip-off. His question was about our concerns. And we were concerned that we'd be PERCEIVED as a Batman rip-off. We weren't concerned about being PERCEIVED as an X-Men rip-off. But frankly, I can't remember why. Because one concern is just as legitimate (or illegitimate) as the other.
So why exactly did gargoyles get canceled? I mean I always assumed that a good plot wasn't exactly the type of thing seven-year-old disney afternoon viewers where looking for in there action cartoons,(I as a seven year old viewer at the time, shamefacedly admit to the aformentioned crime.) But also I was lured in by cartoon network and such things springing up at the time. But also maybe gargoyles contradicted disney's cutesey appearance. Whatever the problem was I figured that you would know best O great one.
Check the archives for a detailed answer, Hamster Boy.
Why did Disney cancel Gargoyles? It was making them a lot of money, maybe thats why Time Warner is much more successful then Disney, Time WArner makes smart choices Disney doesn't
You are WAY oversimplifying. (And for starters, I'm not sure what gave you the idea that Time-Warner is more successful than Disney. That's highly debatable.)
I've answered this IN GREAT DETAIL before, I think in the Old Archives.
Can anyone find it and reprint it here?
Greg... I like your idea of, on the air, leaving the date of the episode ambiguous and then telling us here the actual dates. Its a brilliant idea for two reasons... First, it keeps most people happy with how they want to view what is canon, and second, it would really be the first true multimedia series. Other shows put "behind the scenes" info on their pages and fans certainly keep records of every little event that transpires. But your show would be the first to actually ADD to the storu via the internet. I would hope you would include scenes cut for time and any other story elements that you would wish to add. Just wanted to let you know, that not only is this a great idea of solving some problems, but certainly a groundbreaking idea for telling a story... ...but then thats nothing new for you, as we all well know.
THanks. I liked it. BUt it was really you guys who inspired it. So pat yourselves on the back.
Hi Greg,
As a long time Gargoyles fan, and an even longer time Star Trek fan, I couldn't help but notice that like Star Trek, Gargoyles would subtly introduce touchy topics (well, touchy to the censors at least) like racism and guns into the storylines, using the cover of being a fanstasy/sci-fi-based show. Was this your intent, to do what Gene Roddenberry did, and pull the wool over the studio's eyes, or was it just the way the stories developed?
Thanks for your time,
Sothis
It was my intent to cover real important issues, but at THAT time I didn't need to pull the wool over the studio's eyes. My bosses, Jay, Bruce, Gary were actually behind me on that stuff.
Hello! I was wondering if you had every single scene cut from each episode of Gargoyles before its first airing..
I was wondering this because in the Gargoyles "movie," Goliath says "Godspeed lads," before he says "They'd better not be harmed." Also, he says "Your worst nightmare." But I figure that scene was cut because it wasn't very well animated.. either that or it was created just for the movie?
Not to mention the numerous scenes either cut or created for the movie only.. like, Goliath taking a little bit longer to turn to stone when he was sedated, trailing off with the words when he was groggy.. and stuff like that.
Thank you for your time.. :)
Nothing was created JUST for the movie. But two different sets of people were involved in the editing of the "movie" and tv versions of the pilot. And they had two different deadlines and two different types of access to correcting errors, etc.
I don't recall any differences in vocal performance at all.
Ok, let's see if I can reword this so that it satisfies Todd.
I asked you before if you were going to keep or throw out TGC, and you said it was too early to know. When I asked specifically about the clones episode where they are turned to stone, you said that it would be the easiest one to fix because "the clones could wake up at any time. So if the series came back in the present, I could wake them then. Or I could wake them anytime before 2158." Based on the information you revealed in the 2198 contest (I'll have to be vague here in case it gets me in trouble), I was inclined to believe that you had chosen to take advantage of the situation presented in that TGC episode, and so had decided to keep TGC. Am I wrong, or are you still undecided on what to do about TGC?
And since this was also deleted: how was your birthday?
Still undecided. Leaning toward NOT using TGC at all, and using the internet to answer any questions about why. But still undecided.
As for my b-day, that's a subject for a separate post.
I just found DEADLY FORCE on video: you were right in your notes, it was aboslutely a gorgeous episode to look at. I almost cried. The gargoyles are so real, so emotional, so angry, it just gets to me... especially Goliath. It is obvious to the audience that he loves Elisa here. (i think that's what you wanted.) Thank you for the beautiful episode. After I saw it, i wrote an essay to the Toon Disney personnel about the message of this episode and why i think it would be wonderful if they aired it.
THe reply i got was cursory and almost smart-ass. They told me that it wasn't in "its(the episode's) contract." CONTRACT??! what contract?? ARRGH
anyways, i tried. now for a quick question, and i checked the archives on this one and I didn't find it. Please, Please tell me you have the information on this one at home: How old was Elisa in 1996? the last time i submitted this question you said you didn't have that information available...
Thanks anyways,
aXvXia, age 13
Someone else just posted Elisa's age.
The Contract thing is just bull of course. Their S&P department won't allow them to air the episode. Toon Disney execs told me that. They're shining you.
I got a verry tricky question now... I noticed in many cartoons * including gargoyles * that reruns always differ from the first time they pass on tv. ( I'm french and having trouble making that question clear... omg !!! )
Ok ok... here's an example :
in the episode Awakening 2, when Xanatos's *employees* attack the castle... one of them throws a granade at Goliath and Hudson I beleive... he shouted :"CATCH".
When that episode played again on tv the voice wasn't the same and he didn't shouted it.
Same thing with the "MOVE NOW" of Awakening 1.
How come ??? * do they record the sound twice or do they correct things they don't like after showing it once ??? )
sorry for the long question. You forgive me ?
1. We sometimes do correct animation errors after the first airing if we didn't have time to correct them before. But not voices. What you're describing sounds very odd. Are you sure you're not comparing the "movie/video" version to the tv version?
Or maybe this was done for the French versions only? I don't know.
Hi Greg, I am a huge fan of the Gargoyles series. It's hands down the best written/plotted series I've ever watched (cartoon or other). I recently graduated University of Southern California Film School. I am currently looking for work as an assistant editor. Any advice you might have on getting into the industry and/or breaking into the editor's union would be greatly appreciated. By the way, where was Gargoyles edited? Do you happen to know if was union? Thanks.
Gargoyles was of course edited at Disney first by Elen Orson, than by Susan Edmonson, and finally by Bob Birchard who did most of the second season. It was union. Unfortuntately, I have no idea how one gets into the editors union. Can't they tell you that at S.C.?
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