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Hey Greg!
OK so you planned on making Sora Yama's mate?? well then..
1) I know that you stated that there wasnt anything really in the episode Bushido to show that one way or the other. But I did notice that When they went to roost, Kai and Sora were next to eachother while Yama was way on the other end. Was that just an accident? Or at the time were you (or others) leaning twords her being Kai's mate?
2) Since you were planning on for sure making Sora Yama's mate, then how do you think you would have explained the fact that Yama was going to leave to do the whole 'BadGuys' thing? Was he just gonna be like, "Well, I gots to do what I gots to do, seeya babe." Or..would she come along for the ride or..?:)
and 3) Dose Kai have a mate?
3.5) Did we see her in the Ep?
4) Or was she just ..well not designed yet?
Oh..and if something like this was explained during that lil pencil animated thing at the gathering (for Badguys) forgive my stinky memory. Thanks
1) No. I was never leaning toward Kai being Sora's mate. Kai is one of her rookery-fathers. And Yama was just in a bad mood.
2) Yama was banished by the clan as a result of "Bushido"... until he could redeem himself. ("The Redemption Squad" was my original name for BAD GUYS.) That enforced distance between Yama and Sora would create some nice romantic obstacles. It makes for good stories.
3) I'm not sure.
3.5) I'm not sure.
4) I'm not sure.
Another guess at the 14 clans
1) Manhattan
2) Clones
3) Ishimura
4) Guatemala
5) London
6) Avalon
7) New Olympus
8) Moray Scotland
9) Berlin
10) New Zeland
11) China
12) Mexico City
13) Easter Island
14) Nigeria
FULL POINTS: SIX!
half points: two...
tyca
Another guess at the 14 clans
1) Manhattan
2) Clones
3) Ishimura
4) Guatemala
5) London
6) Avalon
7) New Olympus
8) Moray Scotland
9) Greece
10) France
11) Ireland
12) China
13) Australia
14) Norway
FULL POINTS: SIX.
half points: three...
tyca
1.Goliath and Gang(manhattan) 2.Ishimura 3.Guatamala 4.London 5.Clones 6.Avalon 7.New Olympians 8.Babylon(good old Pyramus and Thisbe) 9.Underwater 10.Scotland 11.North Pole 12.Greece 13.Africa(Nigeria perhaps?) 14.Australia
(Yet another feeble attempt to combat with your wonderful imagination, I'd appreciate a number rating, please, even though it will be low, but oh well)
REMEMBER, I'm looking for clan LOCATIONS, not who's in them.
FULL POINTS: FIVE.
half points: three...
tyca
..you get the idea
1) Manhatten
2) Avalon
3) Guatemala
4) London
5) Ishimura
6) New Olympus
7) Clones
8) China
9) Italy
10) Paris
11) Greece
12) Rome
13) Scotland
14) Easter Island
*apologies in advance if you are only allowed to guess a certain number of times*
Lexy, you can guess as often as you like. But if you don't wait for feedback. I'm not sure how your guesses will get any closer.
Anyway...
FULL POINTS: SEVEN.
half points: three...
(See. It doesn't seem to me that your getting any closer. And since Rome is in Italy, where specifically did you have in mind for your Italy guess?)
Nuther clan guess..
1) Manhatten
2) Avalon
3) Ishimura
4) London
5) Guatemala
6) New Olympus
7) China
8) Clones
9) Paris
10) Rome
11) Greece
12) Italy
13) Camalot
14) Easter Island
FULL POINTS: SEVEN.
half points: three...
tyca
Dear Greg,
When you say 'clans' you mean a clan right? In other words..you are not ONLY including Gargoyles right? I mean, when Goliath invited Derek to join his clan, Derek responded saying that he now had his own. And The New Olympions have gargs..but they arent pure either. I just was wondering if it was within the bounderies of the contest to ask this question. Define clan for this contest. Gargoyle only?
Gargoyle clans.
That doesn't mean that these clans don't have honorary members (as Elisa is to the Manhattan clan).
But I'm not sure what your referring to with regard to the New Olympians. Unpure?
AHHHHHHH!!! DISREGAURD my last post on the clans..GEEZ I thought I put Ishimura down..what a dork..
OK here we go again!!
1) Manhatten
2) Avalon
3) ISHIMURA (geez)
4) New Olympus
5) London
6) Gutemala
7) clones
8) Paris
9) Greece
10) Rome
11) China
12) Italy
13) Camelot
14) Scotland
FULL POINTS: SEVEN.
half points: four...
tyca. But check your spelling.
For the Clans contest..
London
Manhattan
China
Avalon
Guatemala
New Olympus
Paris
Easter Island
Lochness, Scotland
Camelot
Clones
Rome
Greece
Italy
FULL POINTS: SEVEN.
half points: three...
another try:
London, Ishimura, Guatamala, New Olympus, Avalon, Manhattan
Paris, Camelot, Easter Island, Loch Ness (Scotland), Antarctica, Wyvern (Scotland), Rome (Italy), Mars
(I do know that Rome is in Italy.)
Full points: Nine.
Half points: Two.
tyca
14 clans?:
London, Ishimura, Guatamala, New Olympus, Avalon, Manhattan
Paris, Camelot, Easter Island, Loch Ness, Antarctica, Wyvern (Scotland), Clones (Manhattan), Rome
I'll give you a full point for Guatemala, even though you misspelled it.
Full points: Nine.
Half points: Three.
The best score yet, I believe.
Tyca.
Another guess at the 14 clans:
1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. Japan
4. London
5. Guatemala
6. Mutates
7. Scotland
8. Clones
9. Steel Clan
10. China
11. "Cold" trio
12. Australia
13. Africa
14. New Olympus
Full points: Five.
Half points: Four.
(Is this the exact same guess from two posts ago?)
tyca
Here I go again...
14 Clans:
1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. Japan
4. London
5. Guatemala
6. Mutates
7. Scotland
8. Clones
9. Paris
10. China
11. "Cold" trio
12. Australia
13. Africa
14. Steel Clan
Full points: Five.
Half points: Four. Again, "Japan" receives only a half point, because what we know is more specific than that.
And "Clones" -- c'mon kids, that's not a location. I've been giving it a half point, but I really shouldn't even be that generous.
(I'm giving more hints, cuz this contest is so impossible.)
A guess at the clans:
1.London
2.Ishimura
3.Guatemala
4.New Olympus
5.Xanadu, China
6.Rome
7.Paris
8.Avalon
9.Manhattan
10. The Labyrinth (Mutates & Clones in Manhattan)
11. Steel calan New York
12.Journeying around the globe (Cold Stone, Steel, & Fire)
13.Easter Island
14.SpaceStation
Erin responds:
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You did a good job, but you got some wrong. Although you got many points.
Greg responds:
Nine full points. Good job. tyca
The 14 Clans:
1. Manhattan
2. Avalon
3. Japan
4. London
5. Guatemala
6. Mutates
7. Scotland
8. Clones
9. Paris
10. China
11. "Cold" trio
12. Australia
13. Africa
14. New Olympus
Am I anywhere close?
You get six full points. Plus three half points -- including a half point for "Japan", since a more complete answer would be Ishimura.
Clones:
1) Manhattan
2) Ishimura
3) Guatamala
4) London
5) Clones
6) Avalon
7) Xanadu, China
8) Paris
9) Lochness
10) Greece
11) South Pole [Antarctica]
12) Australia
13) Space somewhere
14) Isreal
Hmmm... someone's gotta win this soon...
I think you meant to head this entry with the word "Clans" not "Clones". Cuz there aren't that many clones out there.
Anyway, eight full points and two half points for a total score of nine.
tyca
Another guess at the 14 clans.
1)Manhattan
2)Clones
3)Ishimura
4)London
5)Guatemala
6)Avalon
7)New Olympus
8)Wyvern,Scotland
9)China
10)Greece
11)Loch Ness
12)Paris
13)Rome
14)Moscow
Very good guess. Nine whole points. Two half points. Three complete misses.
tyca
Mr. Weisman
1. Did you give names to ALL the Ishimura gargoyles?
2. At the time of the shows stoppage, (season 2) Ishimura was the best of the 5 clans population/stability wise?
3. Is ishimura the oldest Clan? If not, What is? 'sides manhattan
1. No.
2. Not necessarily.
3. What do you mean by "oldest"?
Dear Greg...
Topic Doggoyles Beasts:
1) Did you plan to have an Ep all about Bronx?
2) What was the name of the Beat in Ishimura?
3) Was there a beast in Guatamala and London?
1. You mean in addition to "Hero of Ulster"? Yeah, sure.
2. I don't know.
3. Not in Guatemala, but yes, in London. (Or rather, just outside London.)
Greg, thank you for your time and patience.
1)when Kai yells at Yama and Goliath "Gargoyle must not fight Gargoyle!", was he just expressing his personal belief or a Gargoyle custom?
2)If it is a custom, is it a custom of the Ishirmura clan only?
1.Both.
2. No, theoretically, gargoyles would frown on this everywhere.
Of course, the main thing we were doing there was echoing the "Ape has killed Ape" line from Battle for the Planet of the Apes.
Clan thingy guessing game...
For hardness, on a scale of 1-10, is this contest a 10 for hardness?
1) Manhattan
2) London
3) Guatamala
4) Avalon
5) Clones
6) Ishimura
7) Xanadu, China
8) New Olympus
9) Australia
10) Ireland
11) Wyvern
12) Space somewhere
13) Under Da sea
14) Upstate California
Just guesses!!!
I think this contest is all but impossible. But I'm not big on quantifying things.
Oh, by the way, you scored an 8.5. :]
tyca
Greg,
I was just reading some of your responses, and came across one response which made me crack up:
"I think Angela was a virgin even at the time of "The Journey". (Broadway too for that matter.) Not so sure about Ophelia. "
I don't know how many other fans have read Hamlet, or even seen it performed (personally I think reading should be done before viewing). But as it's one of my favorite plays, I found the comment about Ophelia absolutely marvelous. Now I don't read fanfiction, nor do I really write it (I am working on one story as more of a roast towards Stephen Sobatka and Wyrmwolf); but I tell you that one little comment does get the ideas flowing. Like who is our young "hamlet"??
I've always enjoyed all of the Shakespearian refrences, and this little one about Ophelia's purity has definately made a good day out of a bad week. Thnx!
Uh, Ophelia's mate is Gabriel. Haven't I mentioned that?
Were you eve planing on putting any other gargess's on the show besides Demona and Angela?
You mean besides Ophelia, Obsidiana, Sora, Turquesa, Una, Tachi, Delilah and Katana?
Another guess on the 14 Clans
1)Manhatten
2)Avalon
3)London
4)Guatemala
5)Ishimura
6)Clones
7)New Olympus
8)Scotland
9)Ireland
10)Egypt
11)China
12)Greece
13)India
14)Ohio
Six full points. 3 half points.
tyca
Is it safe to assume that there are more Gargoyles in London clan than the three that have appeared so far? If so could you give us a ballpark figure of how many there are? Thank You
There's a whole clan living on an estate just outside London. It's a good-sized clan.
Something that I recently realized and which quite puzzles me. There is a very sharp "overall appearance" difference between the Scottish gargoyles of the sort that produced the Wyvern clan, and the English gargoyles that we met in "M.I.A." The former look like "conventional gargoyles" with leathery batlike wings; the latter look like heraldic animals with feathered wings. This very radical difference in physical appearance is astonishing, given that these two varieties of gargoyles live so close to each other, on the same island, in fact. Indeed, the difference in physiognomy between Scottish and English gargoyles is much greater than that between Scottish and Guatemalan or Japanese gargoyles, which is all the more incredible given that Guatemala and Japan are much further away from Scotland than England is.
So how did the English gargoyles, living right next door to Scotland, develop such a dramatically different physical appearance from their Scottish kin?
Uh... Odd migration patterns.
I'll figure out the details some day. (It feels like one of those things that'll come to me eventually, as further proof that I'm tapping into the Garg Universe.)
Why didn't the gargoyles on New Olympus reveal themselves to
Goliath and Angela? The rare discovery of other clans was my favorite part of the series so I would have loved to see them.
Good question. And I'm honestly not sure I have a good answer, other than the truth that there wasn't time in the episode to cover THAT too.
Eventually, I'd have had to come up with an answer. Were they present at Elisa's trial? Do they live "in town"? Is they're leader unprepared to make contact with three gargoyles who are making a LOUD point to defend a human being? I haven't decided yet. But now you've got me thinking.
If it's not to late, the 14 clans contest.
1.Manhattan
2.Avalon
3.London
4.Guatemala
5.Ishimura
6.New Olympus
7.Tibet
8.Bali
9.India
10.Paris
11.Loch Ness
12.Valley of Kings in Egypt
13.Wyvern
14.Ireland
nine points
tyca
What's the general feeling among the Avalon Gargoyles concerning Oberon and his children's coming to the island? I'd expect there'd be quite a bit of resentment, especially given Magus' death at the hands of the Sisters...
I think that there's much uneasyness both ways. But I also think the Children like having a few mortals around. And the clan may simply be glad that they have both a roll (i.e. honor guard, i.e. protection) and the support of Oberon.
I tried, in that little scene in GATHERING PART ONE between Oberon and Katharine to indicate that a pleasant detante had been reached.
1.Arthur
2.Merlin
3.Lady of the Lake
4.Perceval
5.Garlon (the invisible knight from Le'Morte de Arthur)
6.Morgana
7.Blanchfleur
8.Nimue
Seven.
tyca
Are there any plans to add clans not corvered in the first four seasons?
Four seasons?
And, yes. Check the "Clans" archive below.
Una and Griff, as we know, look very much like a unicorn and a griffon. In your opinion, are there actual unicorns and griffons out there in the Gargoyles Universe, or were the legends about them founded on sightings of London gargoyles of that sort?
Probably the latter, unless some fae were goofin' on folk.
With everyone trying to guess at the survivors (ofcourse I hope I have already discovered them :-) let me now try to guess at the clan again...
1.London
2.Ishimura
3.Guatemala
4.New Olympus
5.Greece (yay! :-)
6.Xanadu, China
7.Paris
8.Avalon
9.Manhattan
10.Clones
11.Loch Ness
12.Camelot
13.Easter Island
14.Bermuda Triangle
Not much hope I'll be close... but hopefully we'll get an extra clue... :-)
10 points. Or rather nine full points and two half points.
(I really give too many clues to these things.)
How large would the clan be by 2158?
Which clan?
How are the two Gargoyles and the vegetation from Guatemala faring on Avalon?
I imagine the vegetation is fairing well. But Jade and Turquesa are no longer on Avalon. They were needed back on Guatemala, so I think they left Avalon A.S.A.P. Of course, we all know that Avalon sends you where you need to be. So I'm sure they had a few adventures of their own. But I imagine their back in Guatemala by now.
Ok, Clan Contest
1. Manhattan
2. Ishimura
3. Guatemala
4. Avalon
5. New Olympian
6. London
7. The Clones (I'm guessing they count)
8. The Bermudian triangle clan ! =)
9. Loch Ness clan
10. China
11. A station revolving around the earth
12. the moon
13. mars
14. Underneath the ocean
8
Ok, here's my guess for the clans contest:
This post has 2 lists, one with my reasons, and one straight list in case my reasons are too close to story ideas.
Known Clans:
1. London, England
2. Ishimura, Japan
3. Guatemala
4. New Olympus
5. New York
6. Avalon
7. The clones
8. Tibet (It's full of rocks and secretive monks)
9. The Congo (Where Mokele-Mbembe supposedly lives)
10. The North Pole (you said you had a story to tell about Santa Clause)
2 new clans by 2159:
11. Scotland (it has close connections to the N.Y. and Avalon clans)
12. California (why not)
2 new clans by 2259:
13. Underwater (75% of Earth's surface: yeah it's vague, but it's all I could think of)
14. BABYLON 5!!! (Our last, best hope... for Gargoyle-kind) <G>
London, England
Ishimura, Japan
Guatemala
New Olympus
New York
Avalon
The clones
Tibet
The Congo
The North Pole
2 new clans by 2159:
Scotland
California
2 new clans by 2259:
Underwater
BABYLON 5!!!
What good is publishing these two lists on the same post. If one got kicked, they'd both get kicked. We can't kick half-a-post.
Anyway...
6.5
A guess at the clans...
1.Guatemala
2.London
3.Ishimura
4.New Olympus
5.Paris
6.Transylvania
7.Xanadu, China
8.Avalon
9.Manhattan.
10.Clones
11.Greece
12.Camelot
13.Easter Island
14.South Pole
9.5 points, which doesn't mean you got nine completely right and one half right.
My guess at the 14 clans.
1) Manhattan
2) Manhattan (Clones)
3) Ishimura
4) Guatemala
5) London
6) Avalon (from Wyvern)
7) Avalon (from Guatemala)
8) Moscow
9) Rome
10) Paris
11) Athens
12) New Olympus
13) Los Angeles
14) Jerusalem
7 and 3/4 points.
Thank you; come again.
HI GREG!
My guess's for the 14 clans
1.london
2.ishimura
3.guatemala
4.montreal, canada
5.venice, italy
6.outer space
7.illuminati clan {having something to do with the illuminati}
8.avalon
9.manhatten
10.moray, scotland
12.paris. france
13.loch ness, scotland
14.cairo, egypt
seven points
try again...
Is Boudicca the only gargoyle beast of the Avalon clan? And does the fact that gargoyle beasts seem even rarer than normal gargoyles mean that their species is in an even worse danger of extinction?
No, she's not. But the beast species is, generally, in even greater danger of extinction than gargoyles.
How did the Avalon gargoyles learn how to glide? After all, their human foster-parents were obviously in no position to teach them themselves how to do it.
Trial and error.
Questions about future clans:
Are any of them derivative from clans that "currently" exist? For instance, do members of the new clans have roots with Clan Avalon, Manhattan, London, or whatever?
Yes.
Hi there ;)
Just wondering...where did you guys come up With the Name Bouhdicca? (sp?) thanks alot, have a ncie day ;)
Boudicca was a Celtic female warrior. I don't actually know that much about her. Brynne Chandler Reaves and/or Lydia Marano chose that name.
in 2158 who would be the leader of the wyvern clan?
Define "wyvern clan".
Is Demona aware of the existence of any gargoyle clan other than that of Manhattan and (after The Reckoning) the ones in Avalon and the clones?
Probably. (Haven't I answered this before?)
A guess at the clans:
1.London
2.Ishimura
3.Guatemala
4.New Olympus
5.Xanadu, China
6.Loch Ness
7.Paris
8.Avalon
9.Manhattan
10.Clones(California)
11.Camelot
12.Greece
13.Easter Island
14.(a wild guess) Bermuda Triangle
Ten points.
Okay, I've noticed that the contest of the remaining clans is still open so here are my submissions:
1.Manhattan (the castle)
2.The Labyrinth (Mutates & Clones in Manhattan)
3.London
4.Ishimura
5.Guatamala
6.Avalon
7.Norway
8.Cairo (Eygpt)
9.Paris
10.Southeastern Canada
11.Rome
12.Journeying around the globe (Cold Stone, Steel, & Fire)
13.Scotland (Wyvern)
14.Cyberspace
You scored eight.
Okay, a clans guess. (it IS a hard contest...)
1. London
2. Ishimura
3. Guatemala
4. New Olympus
5. Paris
6. Xanadu, China
7. Greece
8. Avalon
9. Manhattan
10. Clones (California)
11. Camelot
12. Loch Ness
13. Antarctica
14. Easter Island
10.5
I'll mention here that I've reintroduced myself to Gargoyles only this summer via fan webpages and I've managed to get Toon Disney for only a month. Therefore, while not completly updated on every detail of each episode, I do remember quite a bit from the original airdates of them. And if this question has been asked before, forgive me, but I've only frequented Ask Greg for three months. If it's in the archives somewhere, just point the way. SOOO, without further ado...
I remember in a past question where you mentioned recycling characters. (Morgan, Margot and Brendan, Vinnie, etc.) While watching the AVALON episodes, I noticed that many of Angela's rookery sibs were identical to those gargoyles seen in Demona's renagade clan from 2nd century, right down to the clothing. As I understood it, she collected THEM from other clans that were destroyed throughout Scotland. No way for their eggs to end up in Wyvern's rookery, or even on Avalon for that matter.
So, here's the question: were these gargs mearly another batch of recycled characters? And if so, why use them on Avalon? Did you see any kind of conflict coming from this? Or is there another reason altogether that I'm missing entirley?
By the way, I REALLY envy you for having created such a great story, with all these fictional and factual elements mixed in to create the best animated series ever. Wish I'd thought of it :)
If you're looking for the "Behind the Scenes" answer it's pretty obvious. We couldn't afford to design multiple clans of background gargoyles everytime we did a flashback story or went to Avalon. So we reused the models, figuring most people wouldn't notice.
But there's also a within the Universe explanation that works for me. When a Gargoyle clan gets too large for it's location, it splits and colonizes. The Wyvern Clan had been living in relative peace under Prince Malcolm. In my mind it got up to about 100 or so Gargoyles and Beasts. That was too large a number for Wyvern to sustain, so approximately half of the gargoyle population moved on to found a new colony, start a new clan. But all the eggs were left behind in the established Wyvern rookery. The new colony obviously didn't fair any better than Wyvern ultimately, but Demona collected up a few of its survivors, during the Maol Chalvim/Duncan era.
But some of those survivors left eggs behind at the Wyvern rookery, which explains why there are some look-alikes on Avalon.
As for the clothes.... Give me a break.
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